Do you (speaking to Atheist, non believers etc.) celebrate..

hillbillyatheist · Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:22 am Post subject:

if we don't celebrate christmas we are scrooges making a "war on christmas", but if we do celebrate the holiday as a matter of tradition, we are hypocrites who have no business celebrating. atheists simply can't win with christian bigots.

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RyanDzundza · Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:47 am Post subject:

i just noticed the percentages are at yes - 74%
no - 25%

maybe jesus has cursed are forums because we said we celebrate his birthday Shocked

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Azathoth · Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:32 am Post subject:

I only know of four atheists in my family -one's my cousin's new wife, and one's my other cousin's partner, so it's not even like I have a very religiously diverse family- so around Christmas all the other Jesusy stuff comes in.

This year, my dad was in charge of Christmas so I doubt I even got anything...he's a great guy but a bit of an airhead.

Christmas was always completely secular for me. My parents sold me on the Santa stuff so that was always cool, and my parents liked seeing five-year old me all wowed by a Christmas tree. This year, we figured it was a pain in the ass, not worth the money or time.

I figured we need a focal point for presents so I went out this morning and got a Solstice Rock. It's on a clementine crate in my living room right now.

December 25 happens to be a widely accepted day to meet up with your family, knock back some alcohol, and get stuff. I don't see what's wrong with that. I personally don't give a rat's ass if we do it on the 24th, or 26th, or any other day.

However, like I said before, I only have four atheist relatives so the Christian majority ends up setting the date at Christmas.

Christmas is to me as a Roman feast day is to a Christian; just another day that some people chose for their holiday.
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josephpalazzo · Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject:

Without Christmas, the whole concept of an economy running on consumerism would collapse. Ergo, if Christmas didn't exist, we would have to invent it...

hillbillyatheist · Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject:

indeed. only through christmas can we keep the commies at bay. WOLVERINES!

Jutter · Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject:

It's certain Christians who insist that Christmas is about the messenger rather than the message. What makes this painfully obvious, is their objections to people who -during the holidays- merely focus on the camaradery, disregarding it's alledged promotor. Like I said: messenger rather than message.

It's their 'Jesus- this- and- Jesus- that'-approach that, in all reason, should be considered shallow idolatry that manages to completely miss the point. Enjoy your turkey, enjoy the gifts, enjoy the company, and nevermind the grumps who can't stand the fact that you're not enjoying their imaginary friend as well.
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Mr_C · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject:

Gettin' In Tune · Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:07 am Post subject:

Atheists cannot celebrate in christmas, but they can participate.

rickyroma · Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:29 am Post subject:

Athevol · Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:07 am Post subject:

My atheist wife and implicitly atheist two-year old daughter happily celebrate the commercialization of Christmas by spending waaaay to much money on stuff we wouldn't ordinarily buy.

I love listening to Christmas music. I especially like Harry Conick Jr. His music has a nice jazzy feel to it. His version of "I Pray on Christmas" is very "New Orleans". The old Christmas standards are in my rotation of course; Bing, Frank Sinatra; Johnny Mathis; Nat; Dean-o.

I walk around saying Merry Christmas to nearly everyone and I wear a Santa hat when I go shopping.

Do I celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ...no.

I do think that there was someone born named Jesus Christ and maybe he went around the Middle East preaching the Gospel of the God of Abraham but I haven't seen much evidence that he performed great miracles (couldn't someone have snapped a few pictures of Lazarus freshly raised from the dead?).

Besides, Jesus wasn't born on December 25th so I don't even know what all the hoopla is about. Maybe Santa was born on December 25th.

Anyhow, do I celebrate Christmas, sure but not "the reason for season" as our Christian friends like to point out.
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RyanDzundza · Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:10 am Post subject:

i think the reason christmas is on december 25th is because of the pagans winter solstice but im not 100% on that
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Mr_C · Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:48 am Post subject:

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