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isixylixsis
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: | If you realize you've messed up (whatever it may be), there is forgiveness. Otherwise, there's nothing to forgive because
you were ignorant in the first place, so at the end of all things you'll find out. And like a good father he'll take you to the side |
If you think I would ever give up my independence for the sake of eternal salvation then you are gravely mistaken. The one thing that I find ridiculous is this idea that the one thing a god would want is for me to believe in him. I would rather meet a god who values honest scepticism rather than dishonest belief. I answer to my own sins, as any man should. |
I like leading my daughter into a place where she does not have to depend on me.
I like to remain behind the scenes.
So does God. But initially we are children trying to work this thing out, and we get sidetracked along the way.
But it's not giving up independence, it's going from having all your impulses driven into where they should not to where they should, and this according to who maps the paths in the first place.
That way you don't take from what is supposed to be given to another (like a phone call your mom needs to make it through the day, or an hour of play my daughter needs that cuts into my game time) and God can chart the body of the universe accordingly. |
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isixylixsis
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Wickedtruth wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: |
You had a good group of proverbs there. And they might cause me to stop and think if it weren't for this:
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So, not a big fan of thinking are ye?? ::Giggles:: |
I'm a fan of putting thought into action.
Making what's coming out of my mouth match the things people see me do and act out. |
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Wickedtruth
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | Wickedtruth wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: |
You had a good group of proverbs there. And they might cause me to stop and think if it weren't for this:
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So, not a big fan of thinking are ye?? ::Giggles:: |
I'm a fan of putting thought into action.
Making what's coming out of my mouth match the things people see me do and act out. |
I'm just messing with ya. The stuff I believe in is even crazier than the OT/bible. |
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Ix,
Did you mist my post or do you not want to address it?
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isixylixsis
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Wickedtruth wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: | | Wickedtruth wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: |
You had a good group of proverbs there. And they might cause me to stop and think if it weren't for this:
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So, not a big fan of thinking are ye?? ::Giggles:: |
I'm a fan of putting thought into action.
Making what's coming out of my mouth match the things people see me do and act out. |
I'm just messing with ya. The stuff I believe in is even crazier than the OT/bible. |
I maintain a current of responses that make sure I give something gentle but sincere to people dragging me along and people kicking me in the face  |
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JBCuzISaidSo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| isixylixsis wrote: |
I like leading my daughter into a place where she does not have to depend on me.
I like to remain behind the scenes.
So does God. But initially we are children trying to work this thing out, and we get sidetracked along the way.
But it's not giving up independence, it's going from having all your impulses driven into where they should not to where they should, and this according to who maps the paths in the first place.
That way you don't take from what is supposed to be given to another (like a phone call your mom needs to make it through the day, or an hour of play my daughter needs that cuts into my game time) and God can chart the body of the universe accordingly. |
WTF? So you seriously think that me, a heathen mother, doesn't stop everything for their own children or their own family? In no other name but the person's in whom I would lose everything I had for? For no thanks at all? On her own accord?
My kids are actually very independent and self confident. Independent thinkers, born leaders, and doers, and highly intelligent to boot. (And gorgeous and brilliant and.........sorry......I got sidetracked........)
A little offended that another human being thinks I wouldn't give my own time for my own babies or that non-belief equals selfish reasoning. You haven't got a damn clue.
If you need an invisible sky-daddy to chart your course for you more power to ya. Sad, but hey I can't control that.
Me? I got this.
My total non-belief has never interfered with the time I give to others--especially my kids--just because I can (I actually like people without a supernatural force telling me I should "or else") and not because I might get rewarded after I die. 
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isixylixsis
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| JBCuzISaidSo wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: |
I like leading my daughter into a place where she does not have to depend on me.
I like to remain behind the scenes.
So does God. But initially we are children trying to work this thing out, and we get sidetracked along the way.
But it's not giving up independence, it's going from having all your impulses driven into where they should not to where they should, and this according to who maps the paths in the first place.
That way you don't take from what is supposed to be given to another (like a phone call your mom needs to make it through the day, or an hour of play my daughter needs that cuts into my game time) and God can chart the body of the universe accordingly. |
WTF? So you seriously think that me, a heathen mother, doesn't stop everything for their own children or their own family? In no other name but the person's in whom I would lose everything I had for? For no thanks at all? On her own accord?
My kids are actually very independent and self confident. Independent thinkers, born leaders, and doers, and highly intelligent to boot. (And gorgeous and brilliant and.........sorry......I got sidetracked........)
A little offended that another human being thinks I wouldn't give my own time for my own babies or that non-belief equals selfish reasoning. You haven't got a damn clue.
If you need an invisible sky-daddy to chart your course for you more power to ya. Sad, but hey I can't control that.
Me? I got this.
My total non-belief has never interfered with the time I give to others--especially my kids--just because I can (I actually like people without a supernatural force telling me I should "or else") and not because I might get rewarded after I die. |
I don't need a chart, it just happens.
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Then I realized that you didn't say "If I need a chart etc".
You may not need an invisible sky daddy, but your children need someone to take care of their needs, and don't tell me you're not familiar with higher levels of abstraction where the needs of children are translated into the spiritual needs of adults?
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And no one regulates their own breathing or heart rate. So you have a need of authority there in the least. And God is more subtle than that.
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JBCuzISaidSo
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Heh, that's because living things evolved nicely to regulate their own breathing and heart rate. Or else, well they wouldn't have survived at all. And we wouldn't be here! Are you calling nature 'god'? Isn't that a sacrilege?
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isixylixsis
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| JBCuzISaidSo wrote: | Heh, that's because living things evolved nicely to regulate their own breathing and heart rate. Or else, well they wouldn't have survived at all. And we wouldn't be here! Are you calling nature 'god'? Isn't that a sacrilege?
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No, it's putting a label on the things that are outside of our control but regulated according to our dynamic needs.
So the function of my heart beat is entirely outside of my understanding, yet is regulated to meet my needs, on demand, moment by moment. |
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | And no one regulates their own breathing or heart rate. So you have a need of authority there in the least. And God is more subtle than that. |
That's so we don't forget to breathe, stop trying to complicate a simple answer. |
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isixylixsis
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: | | And no one regulates their own breathing or heart rate. So you have a need of authority there in the least. And God is more subtle than that. |
That's so we don't forget to breathe, stop trying to complicate a simple answer. |
I wasn't, but if that's a problem I have I'll intend to stop it now. |
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| Jason_Harvestdancer wrote: | Hey isixylixsis,
Do you hate Zeus or merely his messengers?
Every time you say "Zeus doesn't exist" what you are really saing is that you hate him and you want to get away with behaving in ways he would not approve of.
Deep in your heart you say "Eat my ass Zeus" every time you don't get your way. |
I didn't lay that burden on anyone's shoulders, nor do I lay it on my own.
The intent of my heart was not to put upon whoever reads, "You say you hate God".
I was mistaken. I have said, "Fuck you God" in my heart in moments of childishness, but to him they were much more like child babble.
Like a kid who gets told "Put the Nintendo games away NOW" and the kid slaps the parent.
My daughter slapped me and I did a double take and realized what was going on.
I saw myself slapping God and I realized where we stand as children. |
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JBCuzISaidSo
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | JBCuzISaidSo wrote: | Heh, that's because living things evolved nicely to regulate their own breathing and heart rate. Or else, well they wouldn't have survived at all. And we wouldn't be here! Are you calling nature 'god'? Isn't that a sacrilege?
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No, it's putting a label on the things that are outside of our control but regulated according to our dynamic needs.
So the function of my heart beat is entirely outside of my understanding, yet is regulated to meet my needs, on demand, moment by moment. |
By. An. Invisible. Supernatural. Unseen. Ancient. Did I mention invisible. Or supernatural. Answerer of telepathic communications. That lives beyond the clouds.
How wrong am I there?
No sweetie, it's merely good ol' adaptation that regulated your heart and made you breathe despite yourself. Sorry!
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isixylixsis
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| JBCuzISaidSo wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: | | JBCuzISaidSo wrote: | Heh, that's because living things evolved nicely to regulate their own breathing and heart rate. Or else, well they wouldn't have survived at all. And we wouldn't be here! Are you calling nature 'god'? Isn't that a sacrilege?
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No, it's putting a label on the things that are outside of our control but regulated according to our dynamic needs.
So the function of my heart beat is entirely outside of my understanding, yet is regulated to meet my needs, on demand, moment by moment. |
By. An. Invisible. Supernatural. Unseen. Ancient. Did I mention invisible. Or supernatural. Answerer of telepathic communications. That lives beyond the clouds.
How wrong am I there?
No sweetie, it's merely good ol' adaptation that regulated your heart and made you breathe despite yourself. Sorry! |
Let's get off this merry go round.
Infinitesimal processes and brownian motion may be inspectable but there will always be uncertainty.
Natural processes, physics, mathematics, laws.
And uncertainty. |
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JBCuzISaidSo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Uncertainty is certain--doesn't that suck? Chaos exists but only to an extent and only up to current human understanding.
But not in everything, not even in enough to note it past "woah, what happened there? Sheesh let's find out."
& certainly not in everything professed to be induced only by some grand all-powerful creator that controls it all for nothing but worshipers, after the worshipers die of course. Be sure to include two coins for the boatman after your passing in your will!
As my Daddy used to say; the only thing consistent about you is your inconsistency.
Exchange these: consistent/certain and inconsistency/uncertainty.
But you have fun with your omni-Zeus-knock-off that I have to believe in in order to make time for my own kids........?
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