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Newman Caribbean Theist

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: Did Jesus exist? |
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I would like present a question and would like you to be as elaborate as you wish with the answer, obviously interested in the Atheist opinions as we know Theist.
Try to save the "yes I knew a kid name Jesus in grade school" jokes
would like to know your true opinion or stance on this. _________________ "Love Life"
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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First, what do you MEAN by "did Jesus exist?"
do you mean that all of the magical claims about him in the bible are true OR that he was some guy who said "hey, lets be nice to each other"?
I reject the Son of God, magically multiplying trout, water skiing Jesus.
I accept there MIGHT have been a guy named Jesus who lived back then that they based the Tall Tale of Jesus off of, like Paul Bunyon or Pecos Bill.
Watch "The God who Wasn't There".. it goes into the Jesus legend very in-depth. _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Lee don't mess around. O_O _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Philosophos Do it

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Militant yet apathetic agnostic. There's been no solid case presented by either side to date. And unless new discoveries are made, I doubt there ever will be.
And while I may be willing to give Carrier's book a go when it comes out, I'm not really interested too much in the argument anymore. I don't really think it matters whether Jesus existed or not. _________________ The whores and politicians will shout 'save us'...
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Newman Caribbean Theist

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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nah, its cool, appreciated, but thats just one on one, albeit very interesting and well done, I would like to hear the rest.
Thanks Lee for the heads up _________________ "Love Life" |
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Newman Caribbean Theist

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | First, what do you MEAN by "did Jesus exist?"
do you mean that all of the magical claims about him in the bible are true OR that he was some guy who said "hey, lets be nice to each other"?
I reject the Son of God, magically multiplying trout, water skiing Jesus.
I accept there MIGHT have been a guy named Jesus who lived back then that they based the Tall Tale of Jesus off of, like Paul Bunyon or Pecos Bill.
Watch "The God who Wasn't There".. it goes into the Jesus legend very in-depth. |
ok thanks Moloth _________________ "Love Life" |
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Newman Caribbean Theist

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | Militant yet apathetic agnostic. There's been no solid case presented by either side to date. And unless new discoveries are made, I doubt there ever will be.
And while I may be willing to give Carrier's book a go when it comes out, I'm not really interested too much in the argument anymore. I don't really think it matters whether Jesus existed or not. |
ok, Phil, thanks _________________ "Love Life" |
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Lee_Ho_Fook Guest
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | nah, its cool, appreciated, but thats just one on one, albeit very interesting and well done, I would like to hear the rest.
| Why spam the board with threads of subjects that have already been covered? |
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RyanDzundza Sock Puppet

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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well since i havent seen any convincing evidence that he existed, i dont think he did exist,
IMO the jesus story is just an updated version of several other similiar myths i.e mithra
it must be said that i havent actually searched for evidence of his existence through lack of interest so there might be some evidence that i am unaware of
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RyanDzundza Sock Puppet

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee_Ho_Fook wrote: | | Quote: | nah, its cool, appreciated, but thats just one on one, albeit very interesting and well done, I would like to hear the rest.
| Why spam the board with threads of subjects that have already been covered? |
because like he said, he wants more than just one atheists opinion on the matter, so its not really spam _________________
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Newman Caribbean Theist

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| RyanDzundza wrote: | well since i havent seen any convincing evidence that he existed, i dont think he did exist,
IMO the jesus story is just an updated version of several other similiar myths i.e mithra
it must be said that i havent actually searched for evidence of his existence threw lack of interest so there might be some evidence that i am unaware of |
thanks for the honest answer _________________ "Love Life" |
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Newman Caribbean Theist

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee_Ho_Fook wrote: | | Quote: | nah, its cool, appreciated, but thats just one on one, albeit very interesting and well done, I would like to hear the rest.
| Why spam the board with threads of subjects that have already been covered? |
like Ryan said, and also, I searched and did not see a recent one, so interested in seeing many of the views and stances on the issue.
Not Spam _________________ "Love Life" |
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Raggle Fraggle Smells Chiiiicken

Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 1011 Local time: 11:35 AM Location: Virginia

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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I found this thing on the internet and it's pretty interesting. I guess it's a theory of how Jesus became famous and all that jazz.
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/jesusmyth2.htm
EDIT: Actually, I'm not sure how factual this thing is. It seems like it's on a cult website or something (they use a phrase "The Awareness" and it sounds a lot like a cult to me). They might just be making stuff up or they could be using facts to disprove Jesus. I guess you should read this, but with some skepticism. _________________ Could you repeat that? I think I had something crazy in my ear. |
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aitm using the thinker thingy

Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 1195 Local time: 10:35 AM Location: Melbourne, Fl

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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You know, I am most likely the dumbest one here. Really, its okay, I can whip anyone of you on Jeopardy but frankly I don't know scratch about physics or math or even the high brow philosophy, but really I have to laugh here. Now just sit back and think of the classic, "how much does it cost" syndrome. "well if you have to ask, you can't afford it."
Now really folks, and I mean all of us, if you have to ask in the year of 2008 if Jesus existed, does that not speak fuckin volumes? Does any other religion ask with such regularity if their prophet existed? Hell the only reason Islam is not laughed at is because there are outside references to Mohammed. Jesus? nada.
Do I think Jesus existed? The one that walked on water? The one that brought the dead back to life? The one that died and came back to life? Not one mother fuckin iota. _________________ Its not that I question so much whether a god created man, but that he would admit it.- Thomas Brumfield
psst, theres a vagina on your bumper!
Knowledge: The cure for religion.
The reality is: The majority of Christians are, because they have never read the Bible, whereas the majority of Atheists are, because they have. tjb |
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