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Raggle Fraggle
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| aitm wrote: | You know, I am most likely the dumbest one here. Really, its okay, I can whip anyone of you on Jeopardy but frankly I don't know scratch about physics or math or even the high brow philosophy, but really I have to laugh here. Now just sit back and think of the classic, "how much does it cost" syndrome. "well if you have to ask, you can't afford it."
Now really folks, and I mean all of us, if you have to ask in the year of 2008 if Jesus existed, does that not speak fuckin volumes? Does any other religion ask with such regularity if their prophet existed? Hell the only reason Islam is not laughed at is because there are outside references to Mohammed. Jesus? nada.
Do I think Jesus existed? The one that walked on water? The one that brought the dead back to life? The one that died and came back to life? Not one mother fuckin iota. |
I'd probably agree with you if I hadn't been brainwashed with Christianity when I was a kid. It's really easy for me to dismiss other religions, but I have an attachment to Christianity that needs time to break.
You do make a really interesting point, though. I never thought of it that way.
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| aitm wrote: | You know, I am most likely the dumbest one here. Really, its okay, I can whip anyone of you on Jeopardy but frankly I don't know scratch about physics or math or even the high brow philosophy, but really I have to laugh here. Now just sit back and think of the classic, "how much does it cost" syndrome. "well if you have to ask, you can't afford it."
Now really folks, and I mean all of us, if you have to ask in the year of 2008 if Jesus existed, does that not speak fuckin volumes? Does any other religion ask with such regularity if their prophet existed? Hell the only reason Islam is not laughed at is because there are outside references to Mohammed. Jesus? nada.
Do I think Jesus existed? The one that walked on water? The one that brought the dead back to life? The one that died and came back to life? Not one mother fuckin iota. |
AITM,
thanks for the response, I am asking to see your thoughts, notice I left it as Jesus, period, did not get in to the miracles as such.
there many theories out there, it has not been disproved, so I am leaving it open
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| Raggle Fraggle wrote: | | aitm wrote: | You know, I am most likely the dumbest one here. Really, its okay, I can whip anyone of you on Jeopardy but frankly I don't know scratch about physics or math or even the high brow philosophy, but really I have to laugh here. Now just sit back and think of the classic, "how much does it cost" syndrome. "well if you have to ask, you can't afford it."
Now really folks, and I mean all of us, if you have to ask in the year of 2008 if Jesus existed, does that not speak fuckin volumes? Does any other religion ask with such regularity if their prophet existed? Hell the only reason Islam is not laughed at is because there are outside references to Mohammed. Jesus? nada.
Do I think Jesus existed? The one that walked on water? The one that brought the dead back to life? The one that died and came back to life? Not one mother fuckin iota. |
I'd probably agree with you if I hadn't been brainwashed with Christianity when I was a kid. It's really easy for me to dismiss other religions, but I have an attachment to Christianity that needs time to break.
You do make a really interesting point, though. I never thought of it that way. |
as I said, it has not been disproven the fact that he existed, not mentioning miracles as I said, so yes in 2008 we have not been able to disprove it.
just would like to know your thoughts on if he existed
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Newman
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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and yes, I do have a friend named Jesus, that flies with us often, albeit on a plane 
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Raggle Fraggle
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I think he's maybe a blending of the ideas of Apollonius (I've heard that from more than one place) and some older myths (like this Mithra thing I've been hearing about).
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| Raggle Fraggle wrote: | | I think he's maybe a blending of the ideas of Apollonius (I've heard that from more than one place) and some older myths (like this Mithra thing I've been hearing about). |
so no, he did not exist at all for you...correct?
EDIT: Apollonius of Tyana I assume as your reference
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Raggle Fraggle
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Yes
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| Raggle Fraggle wrote: | | Yes |
ok thanks
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| Newman wrote: | | Raggle Fraggle wrote: | | aitm wrote: | You know, I am most likely the dumbest one here. Really, its okay, I can whip anyone of you on Jeopardy but frankly I don't know scratch about physics or math or even the high brow philosophy, but really I have to laugh here. Now just sit back and think of the classic, "how much does it cost" syndrome. "well if you have to ask, you can't afford it."
Now really folks, and I mean all of us, if you have to ask in the year of 2008 if Jesus existed, does that not speak fuckin volumes? Does any other religion ask with such regularity if their prophet existed? Hell the only reason Islam is not laughed at is because there are outside references to Mohammed. Jesus? nada.
Do I think Jesus existed? The one that walked on water? The one that brought the dead back to life? The one that died and came back to life? Not one mother fuckin iota. |
I'd probably agree with you if I hadn't been brainwashed with Christianity when I was a kid. It's really easy for me to dismiss other religions, but I have an attachment to Christianity that needs time to break.
You do make a really interesting point, though. I never thought of it that way. |
as I said, it has not been disproven the fact that he existed, not mentioning miracles as I said, so yes in 2008 we have not been able to disprove it.
just would like to know your thoughts on if he existed |
Now Newman, even you know we can't just go around saying things like, "we have not been able to disprove it", when the thing has never been proven to begin with. But I will grant you some slack, give me an example of something else that is generally believed in that people do not dismiss only because it "has not been disproved yet".
By the way, thanks for your interest in the puppy, she said hello to you as well......what?
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| The historicity of Jesus is pretty overwhelming for someone who never wrote a single letter. Well, I have to take that back because He did stoop down once and write in the dirt. But as for whether He lived, taught, and had followers is without question. Scholars and historians have agreed for over 1800 years. Every once and awhile someone would come along with some new challenge, but they never amounted to much. I suppose the latest attacks have been the most bold because now, those that want to kill Jesus one more time just deny and lie the evidence away. |
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uh-huh.. dream on son.
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SpecterOpacus
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| Missionary wrote: | | Scholars and historians have agreed for over 1800 years. Every once and awhile someone would come along with some new challenge, but they never amounted to much. I suppose the latest attacks have been the most bold because now, those that want to kill Jesus one more time just deny and lie the evidence away. |
Which historians?
I am expecting all the mistranslated shit now. Please, enlighten us.
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Oh come on Spector, the historians are Luther, Wesley, Smith, Farwell, Robertson, Graham, and the scholars are,,er,,,,,um........Luther, Wesley, Smith,Farwell, Robertson and Graham,,,sheesh, that was easy. Whatsa matter, you don't trust historians and scholars?
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| aitm wrote: | | Oh come on Spector, the historians are Luther, Wesley, Smith, Farwell, Robertson, Graham, and the scholars are,,er,,,,,um........Luther, Wesley, Smith,Farwell, Robertson and Graham,,,sheesh, that was easy. Whatsa matter, you don't trust historians and scholars? |
I don't get how he's all like CAN'T TRUST SCIENTISTS CAUSE SOME DON'T AGREE whereas he's all like WELL HISTORIANS ALL AGREE ON THIS! while ignoring those who don't.
Fucking shit.
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Newman
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| aitm wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Raggle Fraggle wrote: | | aitm wrote: | You know, I am most likely the dumbest one here. Really, its okay, I can whip anyone of you on Jeopardy but frankly I don't know scratch about physics or math or even the high brow philosophy, but really I have to laugh here. Now just sit back and think of the classic, "how much does it cost" syndrome. "well if you have to ask, you can't afford it."
Now really folks, and I mean all of us, if you have to ask in the year of 2008 if Jesus existed, does that not speak fuckin volumes? Does any other religion ask with such regularity if their prophet existed? Hell the only reason Islam is not laughed at is because there are outside references to Mohammed. Jesus? nada.
Do I think Jesus existed? The one that walked on water? The one that brought the dead back to life? The one that died and came back to life? Not one mother fuckin iota. |
I'd probably agree with you if I hadn't been brainwashed with Christianity when I was a kid. It's really easy for me to dismiss other religions, but I have an attachment to Christianity that needs time to break.
You do make a really interesting point, though. I never thought of it that way. |
as I said, it has not been disproven the fact that he existed, not mentioning miracles as I said, so yes in 2008 we have not been able to disprove it.
just would like to know your thoughts on if he existed |
Now Newman, even you know we can't just go around saying things like, "we have not been able to disprove it", when the thing has never been proven to begin with. But I will grant you some slack, give me an example of something else that is generally believed in that people do not dismiss only because it "has not been disproved yet".
By the way, thanks for your interest in the puppy, she said hello to you as well......what? |
AITM,
heheh say Hi also
at any rate, not here to debate the issue as more of seeing your overall thoughts on Jesus, many believe the person existed, so hence my question,
I understand your point and well taken.
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