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Did Jesus Exist?
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Did Jesus Exist?
Yes
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No
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 31%  [ 20 ]
He Probably Existed
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 12%  [ 8 ]
I Doubt It
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I Don't Know
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The whole christian myth is stolen from pagan Egyptian mythology. Jesus is the charachter formerly known as Horus to the Egyptians. Horus (3200 BC!!) was the anthropomorphized depiction of the sun, which is what they worshipped as "god". There have been literally dozens of characters throughout the ages, never thought to be real people, with the same exact qualities and abilities as Jesus. All born of a virgin, had 12 followers (some known as brothers, some as deciples),began they preaching at 30, could walk on water, were betrayed for money or gold, crucified, and rose from the dead 3 days later. All were known as "The Truth", "The Light", The Shepherd", ect, ect. Jesus was not a real person!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

soydios77 wrote:
The whole christian myth is stolen from pagan Egyptian mythology. Jesus is the charachter formerly known as Horus to the Egyptians. Horus (3200 BC!!) was the anthropomorphized depiction of the sun, which is what they worshipped as "god". There have been literally dozens of characters throughout the ages, never thought to be real people, with the same exact qualities and abilities as Jesus. All born of a virgin, had 12 followers (some known as brothers, some as deciples),began they preaching at 30, could walk on water, were betrayed for money or gold, crucified, and rose from the dead 3 days later. All were known as "The Truth", "The Light", The Shepherd", ect, ect. Jesus was not a real person!

References? I've read quite a bit of this before, but was wondering if you knew of any good reads on your claims above.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Here are some of the characters I was speaking of. I don't have many links, but you can look up these individuals who all had the same attributes as Jesus. These were mostly pagan gods depicting the sun. Origins are in astrology.

Horus, Zulis, Zhule, Osiris, Orus (Egypt)
Chrishna (Hindostan)
Budha Sakia (India)
Salivahana (Bermuda)
Odin (Scandinavia)
Crite (Chaldea)
Zoroaster, Mithra (Persia)
Baal, Taut (Phoenecia)
Indra (Tibet)
Bali (Afganistan)
Jao (Nepal)
Wittoba of the Bilingonese
Thammuz (Syria)
Atys (Phrygia)
Xamolxis (Thrace)
Zoar of the Bonzes
Adad of Assyria
Deva Tat & Sammonocadam (Siam)
Alcides (Thebes)
Mikado of the Sintoos
Beddru (Japan)
Hesus, Eros, Bremrillah (Druids)
Thor (Gaul)
Cadmus (Greece)
Hil & Feta of the Mandaites
Gentaut, Quexalcote (Mexico)
Ischy (Island of Formosa)
Fohi & Tien (China)
Adonis (Greece)
Prometheus (Caucasus)

Horus

Christ and Chrishna


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Kersey Graves, by any chance? Or Jordan Maxwell?

EDIT: Yep. Graves.

For more about Graves, read Carrier's critique.

As for astrotheology, it's one of those disciplines where I've never seen any quality work emerge: mostly exaggeration and conflation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

baddogma wrote:
Maybe Jesus had a twin brother and that was who showed up after the tree incident in Acts.

I wonder if that is how they do it in Vegas too.....


I saw a CSI episode once that had twin brothers doing magical acts. One of the brothers actually took the opportunity to kill the other brother and make it look like an accident.

So, yeah, it's possible. I don't think there is enough evidence to suggest that Jesus actually existed. We may never know.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:21 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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I don't think there is enough evidence to suggest that Jesus actually existed. We may never know.


so what now we have to prove jesus existed also Laughing Laughing
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todangst,
That was great. Thanks for posting! While reading it, I fantasized about getting a Bob Price book on CD and going on a road trip with my wife (who is still a fundy Razz )
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todangst,
That was great. Thanks for posting! While reading it, I fantasized about getting a Bob Price book on CD and going on a road trip with my wife (who is still a fundy Razz )


i can see her clawing at the windows...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Moloth wrote:
Mr_C wrote:
todangst,
That was great. Thanks for posting! While reading it, I fantasized about getting a Bob Price book on CD and going on a road trip with my wife (who is still a fundy Razz )


i can see her clawing at the windows...


lol, I can see me sleeping on the couch*

*In 8 years of marriage neither of us has ever slept on the couch. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:55 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That he did. He's mentioned in pagan sources. No was he the son of God or a messiah? Thats the real question.

Id say no to both simply because the evidence is strong that he was an apocalyptic prophet. Seeing as the Earth didnt end 2000yrs ago Id say its a safe bet Jesus was just some guy Wink

As per Jesus being an egyptian myth id have to disagree. Simply, every other week the Romans would execute some guy claiming to be a prophet or a messiah. Even stuff christians wow at in regards to miracles in the bible (reserrecting the dead, expelling demons, curing illness) is nothing new especially for that time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:22 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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That he did. He's mentioned in pagan sources. No was he the son of God or a messiah? Thats the real question.

Id say no to both simply because the evidence is strong that he was an apocalyptic prophet. Seeing as the Earth didnt end 2000yrs ago Id say its a safe bet Jesus was just some guy Wink

As per Jesus being an egyptian myth id have to disagree. Simply, every other week the Romans would execute some guy claiming to be a prophet or a messiah. Even stuff christians wow at in regards to miracles in the bible (reserrecting the dead, expelling demons, curing illness) is nothing new especially for that time.


well, Gilgamesh was mentioned in pagan sources, too...

i dunno, i see Jesus as a Paul Bunyon kind of concept. Did Paul Bunyon exist? Well, thats such a weighted question!

I think Jesus was just another 'prophet' out of hundreds or thousands at the time and, because the little cult that claimed him happened to be the one that took off, his name got carried with it. Sure, Paul Bunyon may have been a tall lumberjack... but did he cut down whole forests with a single swing of his axe? did he really have a giant blue ox? did he really raise people from the dead? did he really cure blindness with a touch? did he really multiply bread and fish?

meh.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Here's a question for mythicists: if Jesus was a myth, why Q? That is, why would one of the earliest traditions of a supposedly mythical Christ-figure be in the form of his sayings and teachings? Would not his acts be equally important?

What do you think?
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because sayings and teachings are just ideas and are easy to get people to believe that someone said.

Convincing you that some guy said "hey... be nice to each other" is a LOT easier than getting you to believe that same guy raised from the dead, especially without evidence.
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Moloth wrote:
because sayings and teachings are just ideas and are easy to get people to believe that someone said.

Convincing you that some guy said "hey... be nice to each other" is a LOT easier than getting you to believe that same guy raised from the dead, especially without evidence.

Really? Even among the superstitious Jews of the time? They seemed fairly credulous to me...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Philosophos wrote:
Here's a question for mythicists: if Jesus was a myth, why Q? That is, why would one of the earliest traditions of a supposedly mythical Christ-figure be in the form of his sayings and teachings? Would not his acts be equally important?

What do you think?


There was such a thing as oral tradition, which then was more important and more in use than today. Q is supposed to come from that tradition. It was only later (70AD) that the first writings were done. The next 25 years saw the growth of several gospels, of which the known four survived to the present.

BTW I'M no mythicist...
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