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Pixxie Intern


Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 75 Local time: 3:55 AM
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: Death and Toddlers |
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This is for any of you parents out there who may have dealt with this.
I live in a rather religious conservative area in Michigan. I have a 3 1/2 year old girl and an 21 month old girl. The 3 1/2 year old is just starting to learn about death and I don't know how to explain it without scaring her. Know what I mean? Our 18 year old cat Boris was put to sleep in February, and yesterday she started crying and said "I want him back." The night he was put to sleep both my husband and I just said "he went away." That is SO insufficient in my opinion.
Both of my parents died 8 years ago, and the other night she asked me where my mommy is. I told her that "she's gone and not here any more." She looked at me and took my face in her hands and said sympathetically "do you miss her?" Let me tell you, I almost lost it. When she asked me where my mommy was, again, I was afraid to respond. It's so damn easy to say "oh, they are in heaven" but I'm NOT going there. Instead I just told her that "I don't know."
There has to be a better approach and this subject will come up again. How do you explain death without frightening them and without leaning on the crutch of Heaven as an explanation?
Please help! Any input would be great. _________________ Pixie
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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wow... i do NOT envy your position...
i;d be just as honest as you can and as vague as you can be to satisfy what they're asking. _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Siderius Forum Plebian

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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Just tell her how it is, that when someone die its because their body has stopped working and thats it as far as we know.
Tell her the cat and your parents are gone forever. Add that their good memories live on. And then talk about the good
times your kid had with the cat or something.
I dont see any reason to soften it in any more than that. |
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CET The Spiritual Atheist

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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Why not just be honest with her about death? Yes, it'll be hard. No matter hard it is, it HAS to be faced eventually. The more you tap dance around it, the harder it becomes to face, and the worse the consequences for facing it later.
"Honey, remember when I told you Boris 'went away', well I lied, Boris is in fact dead. I hope you don't distrust me now, even though you should since I tried to BS you instead of telling you the truth."
Take a deep breath, steel yourself, and just say it. In the end, you'll be glad you did, and your children will trust and respect you for it.
Then again, I don't have children, so I may just be talkin outta my ass here.  _________________ Namaste,
CET
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Mr_C Reckoner

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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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I also have a 3 year old, but she doesn't grasp the concept of death at all.
I think heaven is a nice way to make it seem like there was a purpose for your parents/dog/etc dying. In fact, I think theists still hold onto that out of fear of death.
All in all, I think Siderius had the best idea:
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Just tell her how it is, that when someone die its because their body has stopped working and thats it as far as we know.
Tell her the cat and your parents are gone forever. Add that their good memories live on. And then talk about the good
times your kid had with the cat or something.
I dont see any reason to soften it in any more than that.
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Nimitz Guest
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Death is a subject that's been removed from the home in modern times. People use to die at home. The wake and funeral were also held at home. We've removed it and left it in the hands of someone else.
I just googled up a ton of sites using "TALKING ABOUT DEATH TO CHILDREN" in the search.
This site was just the first on a long list.
http://www.hospicenet.org/html/talking.html
I have pets as well. It's tough on the whole family to have to put one to sleep. But it's the right thing and loving thing to do.
When the time is right you might take her to an animal shelter and have her pick out a kitty she likes. |
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CET The Spiritual Atheist

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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Nimitz wrote: | Death is a subject that's been removed from the home in modern times. People use to die at home. The wake and funeral were also held at home. We've removed it and left it in the hands of someone else.
I just googled up a ton of sites using "TALKING ABOUT DEATH TO CHILDREN" in the search.
This site was just the first on a long list.
http://www.hospicenet.org/html/talking.html
I have pets as well. It's tough on the whole family to have to put one to sleep. But it's the right thing and loving thing to do.
When the time is right you might take her to an animal shelter and have her pick out a kitty she likes. |
I have the utmost respect for hospice organizations. That is a beautiful mission that I would like to see more of. Hank bless hospice organizations. _________________ Namaste,
CET
The Spiritual Atheist
"Much of the suffering in the world comes from the delusion that we are separate from one another." - Gautama Buddha
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." - George Carlin |
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ApostateLois Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers

Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 2066 Local time: 4:55 PM Location: In space, with a traffic cone

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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think honesty is the best policy here. You're going to have to start using the word "death" or else she'll get confused. "Gone away" means they went away somewhere and will come back later, or they can be found if she looks for them hard enough. "Put to sleep" means Boris is sleeping and will wake up. I think Siderius' explanation was the best--it's short, simple, and at a level she can grasp, and it emphasizes the positive aspects of good memories and fun times together, rather than the loneliness and sadness. _________________ Kryten: Don't you believe that God exists in all things? Aren't you a Pantheist?
Lister: Yeah, I just don't think it applies to kitchen utensils. I'm not a Fryingpantheist. |
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Death and Toddlers |
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| Pixxie wrote: | This is for any of you parents out there who may have dealt with this.
I live in a rather religious conservative area in Michigan. I have a 3 1/2 year old girl and an 21 month old girl. The 3 1/2 year old is just starting to learn about death and I don't know how to explain it without scaring her. Know what I mean? Our 18 year old cat Boris was put to sleep in February, and yesterday she started crying and said "I want him back." The night he was put to sleep both my husband and I just said "he went away." That is SO insufficient in my opinion.
Both of my parents died 8 years ago, and the other night she asked me where my mommy is. I told her that "she's gone and not here any more." She looked at me and took my face in her hands and said sympathetically "do you miss her?" Let me tell you, I almost lost it. When she asked me where my mommy was, again, I was afraid to respond. It's so damn easy to say "oh, they are in heaven" but I'm NOT going there. Instead I just told her that "I don't know."
There has to be a better approach and this subject will come up again. How do you explain death without frightening them and without leaning on the crutch of Heaven as an explanation?
Please help! Any input would be great. |
I would tell her that yes she is gone and it's ok to be sad about that. But I think being honest is the best way. _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
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anamoly Recess Monitor

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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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"Mommy, where's your mommy?"
"Sweetie, she isn't here anymore."
"Where did she go?"
"She's resting in [cemetary name]."
"Why?"
"Because she isn't alive anymore."
/gasp
"It's okay, it's a natural part of life. She lived a good life and she left so many good things to remember her by. Anytime I take care of you, she's the one who taught me. When I cook for you, she's the one who taught me. When I'm being your mom, she's the one I'm being like. So really, she's not gone forever. She's just not here where we can touch her, or hug her. So if you hug me, it's like you're hugging her."
Let her know it's a natural thing so she won't be afraid. Encourage her to do great good things in her life becuase that's what it's here for. Tell her the cat and her grandparents lived well and that they want her to too. Tell her death is too far away for her to worry about because life is here, right now.
I hope that helped. _________________ I is dsylexic.
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Just because I don't put my life story in my signature, doesn't make me uninteresting....I'd like to think I'm mysterious. |
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lao tzu radical strawberry

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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Be careful you don't leave her with the impression she's about to lose her mommy and daddy. Kids that age have no real understanding of time, so it's fair to tell them it's something that only happens to people when they get really old. _________________ There is no lao tzu. |
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CET The Spiritual Atheist

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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: |
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My understanding is that children don't understand existential finality, but rather they are distressed by the idea of separation. _________________ Namaste,
CET
The Spiritual Atheist
"Much of the suffering in the world comes from the delusion that we are separate from one another." - Gautama Buddha
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." - George Carlin |
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PJS

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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Nimitz wrote: | Death is a subject that's been removed from the home in modern times. People use to die at home. The wake and funeral were also held at home. We've removed it and left it in the hands of someone else.
I just googled up a ton of sites using "TALKING ABOUT DEATH TO CHILDREN" in the search.
This site was just the first on a long list.
http://www.hospicenet.org/html/talking.html
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A close long time friend of mine who was a father of a five year old recently died of cancer. He had to tell his daughter that he would not be around much longer. Hospice was helpful in offering counseling and activities that were age appropriate. A counselor showed some booklets which included drawings. Hospice also had a long term follow-up plan for helping the child after my friend died. My friend was an atheist so there were no easy tales to add. |
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BarkAtTheMoon O Captain, my Captain

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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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When my mom died a few years ago from cancer, a hospice counselor came out and talked to the family and seperately to my son a couple days before the memorial service. He was old enough by then to understand what happened, but she was real good about explaining everything including how cremation (or burial) works and that it's basically an empty body that won't be hurt anymore all in a kid-directed style like PJS mentioned. They hold a yearly picnic/BBQ at a local state park for any kid who had a loved one die under hospice care, where they have fun stuff combined with some serious stuff and a little memorial service. Actually, Pixxie, you might consider contacting them about having a counselor talk to your daughter if you see continued reasons to be concerned. I don't know if they regularly do that for families that weren't involved with them before, but they'd at least direct you to someone. _________________ "The very existence of flame throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, 'You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.' - George Carlin
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey |
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Specus_Meretricis Peddler of Bombast

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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I grew up in a very remote, farm like, environment. We raised hunting dogs. There were always still born puppies or a neighbor that had a really cute animal that died or had to be put down. I was very upset and would cry for days when an animal I loved died, but that is apart of growing up. You understand that puppies and mommies sometimes die and it really sucks.
You might not be able to explain actual death to a toddler, just that "they won't come back again" to them. _________________ Fuck you bitch!!! I told you the asparagus is in the freezer! - William Shatner
What do you call someone that doesn't laugh at asparagus jokes? A human being. |
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