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Moloth I have to say your raising is as foreign to me as mine is to you. Your line "ignorance pressed upon you" is great. I would like to use it in conversations and will give you full credit using a footnote if you don't care 
Do you think that if you would have enjoyed going to church you would have been religious? Or if your parents had taught you about jesus and god would you have went to church even though it was boring? I guess my question is, as a free-thinker from an early age, what would it have taken to turn you religious for a couple of year?
Greyghost you are absolutely right I am "mad at religion" especially holiness/pentecostal (no makeup, long skirts, long hair for the girls, long sleeve shirts for the men) and Amish. I cannot have a civil conversation with members of either religion. Seeing a religious couple out and about is one thing but when this couple has a kid with them I start talking a little to loud and way to passionately and I don't like kids. What is your religion background if you don't mind me asking.
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Greyghost you are absolutely right I am "mad at religion" especially holiness/pentecostal (no makeup, long skirts, long hair for the girls, long sleeve shirts for the men) and Amish. I cannot have a civil conversation with members of either religion. Seeing a religious couple out and about is one thing but when this couple has a kid with them I start talking a little to loud and way to passionately and I don't like kids. What is your religion background if you don't mind me asking. |
Catholic...I said so in my post. Although I have stripped all ties to it and am an atheist. I decided I could no longer believe in god somewhere around the age of...16 I think? It was around that time that I really started to be interested in science and how the world works. I read The Selfish Gene at 17, and that book really help me understand how evolution works, which just compounded the needlessness of a deity.
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| greyghost wrote: | | weakmorals wrote: |
Greyghost you are absolutely right I am "mad at religion" especially holiness/pentecostal (no makeup, long skirts, long hair for the girls, long sleeve shirts for the men) and Amish. I cannot have a civil conversation with members of either religion. Seeing a religious couple out and about is one thing but when this couple has a kid with them I start talking a little to loud and way to passionately and I don't like kids. What is your religion background if you don't mind me asking. |
Catholic...I said so in my post. Although I have stripped all ties to it and am an atheist. I decided I could no longer believe in god somewhere around the age of...16 I think? It was around that time that I really started to be interested in science and how the world works. I read The Selfish Gene at 17, and that book really help me understand how evolution works, which just compounded the needlessness of a deity. |
So you read The Selfish Gene after you decided you didn't believe in god. Was there anything that happened at the age of 16 that caused the change of tide?
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| weakmorals wrote: | Moloth I have to say your raising is as foreign to me as mine is to you. Your line "ignorance pressed upon you" is great. I would like to use it in conversations and will give you full credit using a footnote if you don't care
Do you think that if you would have enjoyed going to church you would have been religious? Or if your parents had taught you about jesus and god would you have went to church even though it was boring? I guess my question is, as a free-thinker from an early age, what would it have taken to turn you religious for a couple of year? |
of course, i cannot say with conviction that i wouldn't have been a theist under vastly different circumstances. BUT... i have ALWAYS been intellectually rebellious and, as my mother can attest, very stubborn and an 'old soul'. When something didn't make sense to me, i said so. this, of course, led to disappointment in those that tried to tease me and embarrassment in certain delicate social situations. Hell, i'm STILL too honest.
I simply can't conceive myself being a hardcore theist. not in todays world so full of ready education and knowledge. i shudder to think what i might of been like if i had Wikipedia at age 7! There's just too much knowledge, too much science, too much logic out there to simply dismiss it... at least, without some serious delusion, cognitive dissonance or active, intentional ignorance. I mean, lets see.... scientists and other smart, brainy people make medicines, machines, computers, and weather predictions... religious people wear funny clothes, talk too loud, ask for money and talk about things no one can ever see or even know about! Even on this childish level, my internal bullshit detector was going haywire. Even if i had been brought up religious, i can assume that i would have broken free from it by now.. as so many others here have.
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| weakmorals wrote: | | greyghost wrote: | | weakmorals wrote: |
Greyghost you are absolutely right I am "mad at religion" especially holiness/pentecostal (no makeup, long skirts, long hair for the girls, long sleeve shirts for the men) and Amish. I cannot have a civil conversation with members of either religion. Seeing a religious couple out and about is one thing but when this couple has a kid with them I start talking a little to loud and way to passionately and I don't like kids. What is your religion background if you don't mind me asking. |
Catholic...I said so in my post. Although I have stripped all ties to it and am an atheist. I decided I could no longer believe in god somewhere around the age of...16 I think? It was around that time that I really started to be interested in science and how the world works. I read The Selfish Gene at 17, and that book really help me understand how evolution works, which just compounded the needlessness of a deity. |
So you read The Selfish Gene after you decided you didn't believe in god. Was there anything that happened at the age of 16 that caused the change of tide? |
Well, nothing really.. The biggest deal I had to go through in my life was losing my father when I was younger, but by the age of 16 my father was dead for 4 years. I de-converted gradually. It came from actually reading the bible and having an interest in science. I really don't share the same anger that other atheists have towards religion. I'm more on par with Richard Dawkins. I don't necessarily hate or am angered towards religion, I just find it repulsing.
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| Moloth wrote: | "being a smart good-guy is the way to win at life".
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Pssh, well that's obviously bullshit.
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LOL... its only just now really started to work for me.
or.. how about this... "convincing people that you're a smart good-guy is the way to win at life". 
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It's working a little better for me now, too. Seems like it takes til around late 20's or so before everyone gets tired of stupid asshole guy and smart good-guy starts thriving.
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| Moloth wrote: | | i have ALWAYS been intellectually rebellious and, as my mother can attest, very stubborn and an 'old soul'. |
what do you mean by an "old soul" I have heard this phrase before but don't quite know what it means. |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | i have ALWAYS been intellectually rebellious and, as my mother can attest, very stubborn and an 'old soul'. |
what do you mean by an "old soul" I have heard this phrase before but don't quite know what it means. |
Hmm, well it is usually implied to mean "you are wise beyond your years." But idk if Moloth has another meaning for it.
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| greyghost wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | i have ALWAYS been intellectually rebellious and, as my mother can attest, very stubborn and an 'old soul'. |
what do you mean by an "old soul" I have heard this phrase before but don't quite know what it means. |
Hmm, well it is usually implied to mean "you are wise beyond your years." But idk if Moloth has another meaning for it. |
yeah, thats pretty much it.
it comes from the concept that one had 'lived before' and already had a measure of worldly wisdom from before the beginning of this current life.
merely a colloquial descriptor, i assure you.
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| There is a line between abuse and indoctrination but that line can be erased and they can become on in the same. I don't think either one is good but all (okaymaybe not ALL but most) of us would tell our children there is no god. |
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| alliop wrote: | | There is a line between abuse and indoctrination but that line can be erased and they can become on in the same. I don't think either one is good but all (okaymaybe not ALL but most) of us would tell our children there is no god. |
and we'd ALSO tell them that there is no boogy man.
so?
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sadly the only religion ive ever herd that respected others beleifes is wicca.
its one of the laws of wicca that you cant teach your kid anything about your religion until their 18 and then you can only show them the religion you cant force em into it.
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I have a huge problem with parents forcing "The Bible aka Aesop's Fables Part II on children. It absolutely disgusts me that people can still believe in the fairy tale of Christianity. Until religion is gone from the world there will never be peace.
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