This was actually in 2001. Than verified in 2004, 2005, and 2006.
Yeah this.
This stupid weed vs gov't shit has come down to two sides spewing out propaganda. Srsly.
Also, about the cancer thing, I doubt a drug can "cure" a virus. The best research I've seen so far for cancer has to do with mitochondrial research, and even then I haven't checked up on it in a year. _________________ "Of the voluntary acts of every man the object is some good to himself." -Thomas Hobbs
"Those who are obsessed with practice, but have no science, are like a pilot out with no tiller or compass..." -Leonardo da Vinci
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject:
"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers." - Cliff Claven _________________ "The very existence of flame throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, 'You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.' - George Carlin
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject:
BarkAtTheMoon wrote:
"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers." - Cliff Claven
awesome. _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4671 Local time: 8:12 AM Location: Ontario, Canada
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject:
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Yes twist my words, I mean't that if the government is not backing up the research then the medical industry will never give proper attentioon the medicinal qualities of cannabis.
I just said the exact same thing... being funded by the government has little to do with being able to do the research.
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Again studies from valid sources:
Anandamide inhibits human breast cancer cell proliferation
The anti-proliferative effect of anandamide was not due to toxicity or to apoptosis of cells but was accompanied by a reduction of cells in the S phase of the cell cycle.
I win. Not to mention you are talking about 1 chemical... this would at best become a legal pill... not where they issue marijuana and you bonghit it.
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Antitumor Activity of Plant Cannabinoids with Emphasis on the Effect of Cannabidiol on Human Breast Carcinoma
{Delta}9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) exhibits antitumor effects on various cancer cell types, but its use in chemotherapy is limited by its psychotropic activity.
and
Our data support the further testing of cannabidiol and cannabidiol-rich extracts for the potential treatment of cancer.
I win again...
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Cannabis extract makes brain tumors shrink, halts growth of blood vessels
Cannabis has chemicals called cannabinoids, these are the chemicals that could effectively starve tumors to death, say the researchers.
Hmmm I win again.
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Not to mention about 30 others from cannabismed, but I'm sure you would talk it down so I won't bother posting them.
Yes but I bet they are more or less on the same level as this... Again they are basically using cannabinoids like you can with anthrax or arsenic.
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Oh I'm sorry since I'm a potheaded hippie I'm not allowed to try to educate others about the medical aspects of the plant?
Except this is the first time you've actually posted medical articles. You did fail at it basically...but you know...
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Sure if recreational use was legalized I would be happy, but you know what? Not going to happen for a very long time.
Likely never... just like the loads of other drugs which are illegal but could be used...
Do you seriously look at what you are even posting... this isn't even legalization of marijuana... this would be sent through the drug testing as something else. If this was legalized... which I dont oppose... marijuana is still illegal. Infact this one is more or less using the already legal pill of marinol.
From the abstract...
Habitual cannabis use has been shown to affect the human immune system, and recent advances in endocannabinoid research provide a basis for understanding these immunomodulatory effects.
This is a bad thing... they are essentially using this bad effect to create a synthetic temporary way of helping with the immune system when it goes bad.
Take multiple sclerosis for example... what happens is that your immune system goes haywire and basically starts attacking your own nervous system. How do you fix this? Well eliminate your immune system... no immune system... and you wont have your immune system attacking your nervous system... How can you kill your immune system? Well go to africa and start having unprotected sex contract HIV and you're immune system will be gone... than start living as a bubbleboy.
Well that isnt really a very good option... so they are going to look into weed to see if they can get a similar effect.
Moreover again... you wont be smoking weed and getting high to do this one... once again.
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I'm not asking for your position on the DEA, but as to the point that the prohibition on maijuana is insane.
Now the real joke is that the DEA and their stupid war on drugs is more or less like a strawman... if you defeat them... you certainly hasn't defeated the position of prohibition of marijuana.
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And again, in reference to the gateway theory, I am debunking the DEA's stance on this!
Why are you honestly attacking them... their stance isn't consistent. Attack someone who is representing a much more realistic position.
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And it can be argued that any drug is a gateway drug, but cannabis as the main contender? Please.
Sure you can argue it... that doesn't change the fact that marijuana is one. weed is the main contender BECAUSE this is a thread about WEED. Also it being a gateway drug is certainly a minor point in why it's prohibited.
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To bad the point is that cannabis is shown to be safe as a medicinal drug,
I already refuted this point in the thread.
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while the other you mentioned are very unstable and would have one hell of a time passing testing here in the US.
Actually most of them are actually more safe than marijuana. Most places dont market drugs which have a HUGE chances of harm... it's usually like 1% chance of death and 5-10% chance of other bad factors. _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
This was actually in 2001. Than verified in 2004, 2005, and 2006.
Yeah this.
This stupid weed vs gov't shit has come down to two sides spewing out propaganda. Srsly.
Also, about the cancer thing, I doubt a drug can "cure" a virus. The best research I've seen so far for cancer has to do with mitochondrial research, and even then I haven't checked up on it in a year.
First... no it's clearly not 2 sided. DEA and the US government are insane with the anti-medical uses crap. If someone wants to mellow out or stop nausea with marijuana because of some bad medical reasons... I dont oppose this. That's why it's legal in Canada. Unfortunately the morons on Canada argue for the legalization of medical marijuana still... they havent realized that we have legalized it already. Therefore their current arguments for the legalization of marijuana basically come down to basically legalizing LOADS of drugs. As I have pointed out. Because any argument of legalizing pot thusly legalizes those. Suddenly when loads of people take these weightloss pills which have a chance to kill people... suddenly we see many people just up and dieing... that isn't a good thing.
As for cancer being a virus... it's not. Furthermore we can manage viruses with anti-virals. _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject:
ChrissyFos wrote:
"Absinthe has THC in it" I still crack up whenever I remember that priceless gem.
bahahahaha
That reminds me though. I just had absinthe for the first time a month or so ago. Tasted like black licorice. I still prefer green chartreuse when it comes to high-octane liqueurs. _________________
Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 1551 Local time: 9:12 AM
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject:
munky99999 wrote:
First... no it's clearly not 2 sided. DEA and the US government are insane with the anti-medical uses crap. If someone wants to mellow out or stop nausea with marijuana because of some bad medical reasons... I dont oppose this. That's why it's legal in Canada. Unfortunately the morons on Canada argue for the legalization of medical marijuana still... they havent realized that we have legalized it already. Therefore their current arguments for the legalization of marijuana basically come down to basically legalizing LOADS of drugs. As I have pointed out. Because any argument of legalizing pot thusly legalizes those. Suddenly when loads of people take these weightloss pills which have a chance to kill people... suddenly we see many people just up and dieing... that isn't a good thing.
What are you talking about? o.O
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As for cancer being a virus... it's not. Furthermore we can manage viruses with anti-virals.
Some cancers are caused by viruses... and I don't know why you told me all this. _________________ "Of the voluntary acts of every man the object is some good to himself." -Thomas Hobbs
"Those who are obsessed with practice, but have no science, are like a pilot out with no tiller or compass..." -Leonardo da Vinci
Hey Fucktard canadian, using your fucked in the head "logic" everyone who smoked pot wore blue jeans before they started smoking so you are saying that the wearing of blue jeans leads to people smoke pot. No fucking way moron!!!! I smoke pot and I have no desire to use any other drug. The pot is only available on the black market. The same black market pipeline as other illegal drugs. You have to get pot from a black market dealer. Maybe your pot dealer ran out of pot for sale but his supplier might have coke or heroin pawned off to the dealer and said dealer will try to get you to buy the coke or heroin to augment his income. There is nothing in pot that makes people want to use other drugs(how fucking retarded do you have to be to believe that load of putrid, steaming shit{same retarded thinking that leads people to believeing in the"supernatural}). What about all the people who never smoked pot but are using coke, crack, crystal meth or legal pharmaceutical drugs???? I am pretty sure the fat fuck Rush Limbough(sp?) never smoked pot but he turned out to be a huge oxycontin junkie. Most people who use drugs other than pot stopped using pot because they don't like pot in the first place( that has been my experience of all pill poppers or coke fiends I've had the displeasure of running into). There are far more people using crystal meth who never used pot than people who started with pot then "graduated" to CM. That "study" about frontal lobe was from Sweden, who are rabid prohibitionists. The study was bought and paid for to show what they wanted it to show.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject:
The-Chemist wrote:
Hey Fucktard canadian, using your fucked in the head "logic" everyone who smoked pot wore blue jeans before they started smoking so you are saying that the wearing of blue jeans leads to people smoke pot. No fucking way moron!!!! I smoke pot and I have no desire to use any other drug. The pot is only available on the black market. The same black market pipeline as other illegal drugs. You have to get pot from a black market dealer. Maybe your pot dealer ran out of pot for sale but his supplier might have coke or heroin pawned off to the dealer and said dealer will try to get you to buy the coke or heroin to augment his income. There is nothing in pot that makes people want to use other drugs(how fucking retarded do you have to be to believe that load of putrid, steaming shit{same retarded thinking that leads people to believeing in the"supernatural}). What about all the people who never smoked pot but are using coke, crack, crystal meth or legal pharmaceutical drugs???? I am pretty sure the fat fuck Rush Limbough(sp?) never smoked pot but he turned out to be a huge oxycontin junkie. Most people who use drugs other than pot stopped using pot because they don't like pot in the first place( that has been my experience of all pill poppers or coke fiends I've had the displeasure of running into). There are far more people using crystal meth who never used pot than people who started with pot then "graduated" to CM. That "study" about frontal lobe was from Sweden, who are rabid prohibitionists. The study was bought and paid for to show what they wanted it to show.
hey no need to be rude to munky999999 your new here so your the fuck. How dumb do you have to be to use the word fucktard anyway? _________________ be the pancake
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject:
Cancer a virus? That sent me rolling with laughter. _________________ "What I'm saying is, if God wanted to send us a message, and ancient writings were the only way he could think of doing it, he could have done a better job." --Carl Sagan
"In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." --Douglas Adams
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject:
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Hey Fucktard canadian,
Hey. Hows it goin?
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using your fucked in the head "logic"
oh ya?
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everyone who smoked pot wore blue jeans before they started smoking so you are saying that the wearing of blue jeans leads to people smoke pot.
wow ur terrible... at least you could have used... "breathed air" or "drank water"
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No fucking way moron!!!!
Ya way.
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I smoke pot and I have no desire to use any other drug.
Dont remember saying it was 100% fact thing. You may be an exception to the rule...
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The pot is only available on the black market.
ya so?
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The same black market pipeline as other illegal drugs.
ya so?
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You have to get pot from a black market dealer.
Not really no.
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Maybe your pot dealer ran out of pot for sale but his supplier might have coke or heroin pawned off to the dealer and said dealer will try to get you to buy the coke or heroin to augment his income.
actually most potheads go to new things for free... in a "try this" sort of thing.
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There is nothing in pot that makes people want to use other drugs
says the guy with 1 post on the forum and is entirely anonymous... plus a high chance of being an admitted criminal---assuming ofcoarse u live in a country which is illegal.
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(how fucking retarded do you have to be to believe that load of putrid,
pretty retarded... its a good thing I dont believe it.
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steaming shit{same retarded thinking that leads people to believeing in the"supernatural})
Oh... riggght...
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What about all the people who never smoked pot but are using coke, crack, crystal meth or legal pharmaceutical drugs????
dont believe I made the assertion that you had to use weed to use other drugs.
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I am pretty sure the fat fuck Rush Limbough(sp?) never smoked pot but he turned out to be a huge oxycontin junkie.
You know this how?
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Most people who use drugs other than pot stopped using pot because they don't like pot in the first place
You do realize u just changed your argument... and are basically making my point.
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( that has been my experience of all pill poppers or coke fiends I've had the displeasure of running into)
although u are making my point... your anecdotal evidence means nothing.
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There are far more people using crystal meth who never used pot than people who started with pot then "graduated" to CM.
u know this how? and how does this actually even address my points?
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That "study" about frontal lobe was from Sweden, who are rabid prohibitionists.
the 3 studies which verified the fact also is unreliable and biased how than? You also dispute a scientific journal based on this... wow...
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The study was bought and paid for to show what they wanted it to show.
oh ya? wat evidence do you have to verify this? _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
_________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject:
Alright, Sorry I wasn't around earlier, the rain knocked out my internet for the second time in a week .
munky99999 I am getting very tired of repeating myself to you, either read the links I gave you (not the firt sentance or paragraph) and try to understand the words I type on the screen.
The medical arguement I was making for cannabis was not " If you smoke you get healthy", The point I was attempting to get across was that cannabis is an herb that has many medicinal properties. The 69 cannabinoids present in cannabis are the main area of study for medicinal use, so of course I know that it could be made into synthetic medicines.
The second point you keep somehow missing is that if the US federal government will not sanction, support, or fund medicinal study of cannabis, then it will not be properly researched by the medical corporations (the US government's largest lobbyists). And if the medical corporations of the US don't study the medicinal aspects of the herb, then millions of people will suffer when there is something that can help them either help cure or cope with their sicknesses.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject:
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munky99999 I am getting very tired of repeating myself to you,
creationists get very tired repeating themselves all the time also. Perhaps the issue is that you aren't addressing the refutations of your points and instead are ignoring them and than repeating yourself over and over like a moron. Again once something has been addressed... you address that rebuttal... you dont keep repeating yourself ad nauseam.
Please feel free to actually address my points which refuted yours... or concede.
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either read the links I gave you (not the firt sentance or paragraph) and try to understand the words I type on the screen.
The medical arguement I was making for cannabis was not " If you smoke you get healthy",
THusly I never rebuttaled such a claim. The sheer fact that you essentially have to burn it and inhale it is unhealthy. There are also other illegal drugs... which arent commonly used... but are just about the same level of unhealthy if you were to suggest something like cyanide be very very unhealthy... marijuana and these drugs would roughly be at the same relative unhealthiness. If you want to argue that MArijuana really isn't that bad and should be made legal... or like doug stanhope's position... it's my body and it's none of your business. You basically have to legalize all substances... including anthrax and ricin.
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The point I was attempting to get across was that cannabis is an herb that has many medicinal properties.
Anthrax, Botulism, and Ricin just for just a few other examples which are ALSO grown naturally in the ground... they have "medicinal properties"
Lets take Ricin for example... relative to marijuana... there's sooooo much more application to having ricin used against cancer.
Should we legalize ricin for people to smoke or whatever they want? Some ricin brownies?
By the sounds of your argument... you do want to legalize ricin and marijuana.
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The 69 cannabinoids present in cannabis are the main area of study for medicinal use, so of course I know that it could be made into synthetic medicines.
Yes and thusly those synthetic medicines can be made quite legal. Infact Canada has already done so in many examples. You are not arguing legalization of generic doobies.
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The second point you keep somehow missing is that if the US federal government will not sanction, support, or fund medicinal study of cannabis,
They aren't doing as much in terms of research towards Heart and stroke studies... guess what...
Heart_and_Stroke_Foundation_of_Canada Is fucking huge. They get loads of donations and have funded lots of research which has been extremely fruitful.
If you are worried about research not being done... start a "Potheads and Hippies Foundation" Who funds research towards application of marijuana.
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then it will not be properly researched by the medical corporations (the US government's largest lobbyists).
Ok and by your argument... Heart and stroke research wouldn't be "properly researched" perhaps it's true... given whatever your standards are...
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And if the medical corporations of the US don't study the medicinal aspects of the herb,
perhaps there's no reason to? We aren't going to find the cure to the common cold from researching horse shit. Perhaps there really aren't any medicinal aspects of the drug. I think the researchers will be better to research on real things... where in their educated decision believes to be something real to find.
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then millions of people will suffer when there is something that can help them either help cure or cope with their sicknesses.
Oh so in your uneducated hypothesis THINKS that we should stop all research on things like cures for Anthrax and the many many other highly valuable research options to research a weed which doesn't really seem to have any real big medicinal factors.
Look drop your medicinal argument because you have entirely failed in that respect. I am in Canada and we have legalized medicinal uses of the drug. If medical experts believe that it will help... they can prescribe.
In reality your position is that you want to legalize medical marijuana... than you will lobby to get marijuana legalized... ofcoarse it's a big joke because even though we have legalized medical marijuana... the potheads are still arguing for the legalization of medical marijuana... once they realize that we have legalized it... they will be there arguing for the full legalization of marijuana.
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So, I win.
No you have clearly lost. _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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