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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:45 am    Post subject: Born Again Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

How is it that people can be born again with religion? Is that when they aren't involved with religion, then they 1 day wake up and decide to believe in the bull shit again? I thought about this and I keep thinking that there has to be some outside source pushing the person or is forcing the person to keep coming out to listen to the bullshit. I mean for example once you get to church because you are 'curious" everyone who is there are like vultures. They lash on to you and prey. I mean they are saying how great it is and you need to come out all the time.

What do you guys think?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:46 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I would say the fear of death or maybe because there so many people who believe in it that they think there must be something to it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:55 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yeah, that is the problem with the United States, don't get me wrong, I love this country, but with all the knowledge we have, we shouldn't be the most religious country in the world. Hell, I'm thinking how great living in Sweden would be because of 85% atheist/agnostics.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:59 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Atheist0202 wrote:
Yeah, that is the problem with the United States, don't get me wrong, I love this country, but with all the knowledge we have, we shouldn't be the most religious country in the world. Hell, I'm thinking how great living in Sweden would be because of 85% atheist/agnostics.


I live here to, I know. and no we souldn't be the most we should be the least.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:06 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

tonyman1989 wrote:
Atheist0202 wrote:
Yeah, that is the problem with the United States, don't get me wrong, I love this country, but with all the knowledge we have, we shouldn't be the most religious country in the world. Hell, I'm thinking how great living in Sweden would be because of 85% atheist/agnostics.


I live here to, I know. and no we souldn't be the most we should be the least.



I most definitely concur...Here a few good quotes I got from this atheist site.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-- Stephen Roberts

"No philosophy, no religion, has ever brought so glad a message to the world as this good news of Atheism."
--Annie Wood Besant


"Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people" - Jesse Ventura

"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for religious convictions"
-- Blaise Pascal


"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin

"The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church."
--Ferdinand Magellan

"Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men." - Voltaire

"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means." - George Bernard Shaw

"'In God We Trust.' I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true." - Mark Twain
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Is blaise pascal the same man who mmade pascal wager? He's an atheist?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Born Again Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Atheist0202 wrote:
How is it that people can be born again with religion? Is that when they aren't involved with religion, then they 1 day wake up and decide to believe in the bull shit again? I thought about this and I keep thinking that there has to be some outside source pushing the person or is forcing the person to keep coming out to listen to the bullshit. I mean for example once you get to church because you are 'curious" everyone who is there are like vultures. They lash on to you and prey. I mean they are saying how great it is and you need to come out all the time.

What do you guys think?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:43 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think one of the reasons people are "born again" is the amount of people that are members of an organized religion. People tend to go with the flow.
Another possible reason is knowledge. People want to know everything. They want to know where they go when they die. They want the meaning of life. God gives all the "answers".
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Maybe they just mean their faith has been born again. They used to have faith, lost it, but it came back. I don't really know
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

maybe they just want a vagina around their heads again...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Moloth wrote:
maybe they just want a vagina around their heads again...

In that case, my **** is born again, so are most of my fingers, thumbs, toes...
Seriously though, the phrase "born again" has almost nothing to do with the context of the first post of this thread. It's a "spiritual rebirth" in which "you" die and "Christ becomes alive in you". Just to define our terms.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:32 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

you can only be 'born again' once...after that, you're doomed...it's in Hebrews somewhere...my brother the christian pointed it out to a bunch of jehovah's witnesses or something that were trying to talk to him about faith in his store (he already said he was 'born again')...it was hilarious....I'm proud my brohter is, to an extent, knowledgable about the Bible and the religion...he doesn't go to church but he follows the word if that makes any sense to you guys...he's a really cool guy but can be a total bonehead and a jackass sometimes but when are brothers not? Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Mr_C wrote:
and "Christ becomes alive in you"


Sounds too gay for my tastes.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Born Again Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Do you never change your mind?
Have you never had a problematic relationship with a gf or bf, who you just kept coming back to, after breaking up with them?
It isn't any different.

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How is it that people can be born again with religion? Is that when they aren't involved with religion, then they 1 day wake up and decide to believe in the bull shit again? I thought about this and I keep thinking that there has to be some outside source pushing the person or is forcing the person to keep coming out to listen to the bullshit. I mean for example once you get to church because you are 'curious" everyone who is there are like vultures. They lash on to you and prey. I mean they are saying how great it is and you need to come out all the time.

What do you guys think?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I agree with Mr_C's definition so there is no coercion necessary since being born again can happen anyplace anytime.
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