Atheists Split on How Not to Believe

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True Unbelievers

A sectarian split among atheists.

BY CHRISTOPHER ORLET
Tuesday, May 1, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

A recent Associated Press story, headlined "Atheists Split on How Not to Believe," has set fingers tapping throughout the blogosphere. The gist of the story as I read it is that there are soft atheists and fundamentalist atheists, and the softies are concerned that the fundies are becoming too outspoken, too uppity, indeed that they are giving unbelievers a bad name--a good trick that, like trying to give a bad name to an oil slick.

As usual, the impetus for this new development was 9/11, and the death and destruction caused by religious fanatics, after which some atheist intellectuals decided there was complicity in silence, thus they would be silent no more.

The spokesman for the soft atheists has been Greg Epstein, a "humanist chaplain" at Harvard University. The Rev. Mr. Epstein is encouraging the fundamentalists or "New Atheists" to pipe down, and warns that their outspokenness is keeping fence-sitters from coming over to the side of the humanists, a dubious allegation, at best. Though I can't prove it, it seems to me that passionate advocacy attracts converts as often as it drives them away.

The soft atheists have it in for three bestselling authors in particular: Richard Dawkins (author of "The God Delusion"), Sam Harris ("Letter to a Christian Nation") and Christopher Hitchens ("God Is Not Great"). Though they differ on many points of scripture, all three are passionately antireligious. Mr. Dawkins considers God "a psychotic delinquent." The doomsayer Mr. Harris thinks religion will destroy the world if not stopped, and Mr. Hitchens holds that "religion poisons everything." Mr. Epstein finds these authors rigid and intolerant, which ultimately makes them no different from the religious fundamentalists they condemn. Nor is he alone. As one English dean told the Guardian, Mr. Dawkins is "just as fundamentalist as the people setting off bombs on the tube."
Harvard's E.O. Wilson, another secularist, has also criticized the New Atheists, and suggests their tone is alienating important faith groups whose help is needed to solve the world's problems. "I would suggest possibly that while there is use in the critiques by Dawkins and Harris, that they've overdone it," Mr. Wilson told the AP.

Messrs. Epstein and Wilson have a point. Mr. Dawkins, et al., are intolerant. Mr. Hitchens, in particular, is intolerant of a great many things: Hypocrisy. Vacuity. Bad books. Henry Kissinger. He is especially intolerant of the multiculti Europeans, whom he considers too tolerant of intolerant Islamic fundamentalists. Though to expect an old pugilist like Hitch to ease up on believers would be like asking Joe Frazier to go easy on Mohammed Ali.

Certainly Messrs. Harris and Hitchens are no different from outspoken skeptics of yesteryear. "I see little evidence in this world of the so-called goodness of God," said H.L. Mencken nearly 75 years ago. "On the contrary, it seems to me that, on the strength of His daily acts, He must be set down a most stupid, cruel and villainous fellow." Writing half a decade earlier Col. Robert G. Ingersoll noted that "the Agnostic does not simply say, 'I do not know.' He goes another step and says with great emphasis that you do not know." In their day Mencken and Ingersoll were both widely jeered. They were also highly respected by their intellectual peers.

Are passionate atheists being unfairly demonized? Absolutely, if by labeling them "militant" and "fundamentalist" they are likened to terrorists who fly jets into buildings and wrapped in TNT saunter into crowded wedding receptions.
Still it is important to ask whether atheists--as alleged--are out to eradicate faith. And if so, in what manner? Mr. Epstein, sounding very much like a New Age shaman, insists that "Humanism is not about erasing religion. It's an embracing philosophy." That's a warm and fuzzy sentiment, but the fact is many atheists do long to see religion go the way of the coach-and-four--much like early Christians had no desire to embrace pagan religions--though most favor bringing future generations around not by the sword, but rather by reason, logic and scientific evidence.

But wouldn't the triumph of secularism mean the eradication of the basic tenets of Judeo-Christian society? Wouldn't it mean that the U.S. would evolve into a sort of United States of Sweden (Sweden being the world's most secular society)? America already allows abortion on demand and bans Christmas trees in airports--how much further down the secular slope could it go? Same-sex marriage could conceivably replace same-sex unions, but there seems little danger of a Soviet-style ban on religion, or the conversion of churches into horse stables. Secularism, after all, has not completely devastated Scandinavian societies. In fact, the greatest crisis these countries face is from their fundamentalist Muslim populations.

It was these fundamentalist Muslims that stirred the New Atheists and forced them to speak out. Now that they've seen what religious fanatics can do, I suspect there will be no silencing them.

Mr. Orlet writes the Existential Journalist blog.

rickyroma · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject:

Good article. Certainly captures undercurrents of the IG.com meltdown.

I'm not a great Harris fan and am going off Dawkins a bit these days (though will always love his wit). I haven't read the Hitchens book yet, but I'll wager it blows the pair of them out the water.
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sjc · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject:

Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but the thing about being an atheist is that it isn't a belief system in and of itself so therefore what one atheist believes, or doesn't believe, has no real bearing on any other atheist? So, this question is actually irrelevant.
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Sal1981 · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject:

Yeah, that read as western Christan philosophy of indoctrination to me. Particularly with all the organizations like AiG trying to use "science" to prove their faith.
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rickyroma · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject:

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Ophis · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject:

The idea of a "sectarian split" only applies to dogmatic religions such as Christianity or Islam. In those cases, you can't disagree about religious matters and just be thought wrong. If you disagree with established doctrine, you are a heretic or a blasphemer, and you either have to keep quiet or split into a new sect. You can't just disagree within the group. With atheism, which is defined only by a disbelief in God, that doesn't apply. Without clear established dogmas set out by some person in authority, you don't have clearly defined sects, and "sectarian splits" are impossible.

Uncertainty · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject:

Isn't this kind of silly? :O

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Castaa · Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:41 am Post subject:

Harris is hard but keeps a calm demeanor. Hitchens and Dawkins are less likable and get a bit prickly in interviews. Although Dawkins on O'Reilly was pretty subdued.

I believe they are all making the same arguments.

I think Harris in style bridges the gap in his public appearances.

Where's Richard Carrier when you need him!? Wink

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