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The U.S. Constitution forbids a religious litmus test for holding office. All state and local laws are superceded.
It's a moot point anyway. An atheist couldn't be elected dog catcher in America.
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JarrardC.
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America? Rationality?!
~_~! It does seem a bit unfair though. Oh well, there's always lying right? |
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mjordan2nd
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| Nimitz wrote: | | Oh and welcome aboard mjordan2nd! |
Thank you! |
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RyanDzundza
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i would be a bit pissed off if i was american
but as it happens im not
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there are a lot of stupid/outdated/unconstitutional laws (mostly from the state level) in the US (as im sure there are in probably every country). Instead of actually swiping them from the books, we just allow them to wither away and most become un-enforced.
I dont think anyone has been prevented from holding office because they were a theist. As already said though, it is probably a moot point as atheist would have a hard time winning an election, in certain areas at least.
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RyanDzundza
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| not_a_theist wrote: | | there are a lot of stupid/outdated/unconstitutional laws (mostly from the state level) in the US (as im sure there are in probably every country). Instead of actually swiping them from the books, we just allow them to wither away and most become un-enforced. |
i remember one law in england that states your allowed to shoot a welsh man with a crossbow on a thursday if he is on holy ground, i think it only apllies to one small village
i would love to know the origins of a law like this lol
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No fighting on holy ground, Highlander!
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Droshi
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http://www.data360.org/report_slides.aspx?Print_Group_Id=99
Here are some stats on how certain people would fare for being voted presidnet.
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hillbillyatheist
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists cannot hold public, governmental or secular off |
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atheists should start by reading this book
there's more to the game then pure logic, and blunt words ("straight talk") and law suites.
I am only partly through this book, and its already an eye opener.
we must realize the theists have us out numbered and our only chance is get them to accept our right to exist, and to learn that we are not all god hating weirdoes with nothing better to do then sue christmas trees out of stores.
sadly this is our public image, and we must correct it with good PR skills and less law suites. |
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FlatEarth1024
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists cannot hold public, governmental or secular off |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | we must realize the theists have us out numbered and our only chance is get them to accept our right to exist, |
I disagree.
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hillbillyatheist
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists cannot hold public, governmental or secular off |
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | we must realize the theists have us out numbered and our only chance is get them to accept our right to exist, |
I disagree. |
 seriously? |
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FlatEarth1024
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists cannot hold public, governmental or secular off |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | we must realize the theists have us out numbered and our only chance is get them to accept our right to exist, |
I disagree. |
seriously? |
Yes. I could be wrong in my thinking, but I don't care if theists accept me or not, and I certainly am not about to suck up to them until they feel I've kissed enough ass to be allowed to exist.
Fuck them where they breathe. I don't need random acts of magnanimity from theists. I exist because I choose to exist, and if theists don't like it they can take a running jump.
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hillbillyatheist
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists cannot hold public, governmental or secular off |
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | we must realize the theists have us out numbered and our only chance is get them to accept our right to exist, |
I disagree. |
seriously? |
Yes. I could be wrong in my thinking, but I don't care if theists accept me or not, and I certainly am not about to suck up to them until they feel I've kissed enough ass to be allowed to exist.
Fuck them where they breathe. I don't need random acts of magnanimity from theists. I exist because I choose to exist, and if theists don't like it they can take a running jump. |
remember that they can vote. thus it very much matters what the majority thinks of us. |
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FlatEarth1024
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists cannot hold public, governmental or secular off |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | we must realize the theists have us out numbered and our only chance is get them to accept our right to exist, |
I disagree. |
seriously? |
Yes. I could be wrong in my thinking, but I don't care if theists accept me or not, and I certainly am not about to suck up to them until they feel I've kissed enough ass to be allowed to exist.
Fuck them where they breathe. I don't need random acts of magnanimity from theists. I exist because I choose to exist, and if theists don't like it they can take a running jump. |
remember that they can vote. thus it very much matters what the majority thinks of us. |
I realize its late on Sunday night, but maybe tomorrow, I'd like to see what RedRaider has to say about getting permission to exist, as it were. Or perhaps Da_Mon or Zoc can give us a little insight on blacks convincing whites to allow them to exist. HB, I like you, I really do. But your willingness to appease and play nice with theo reminds me sometimes of Neville Chamberlain signing Czechoslovakia over to the Germans. I don't share your enthusiasm for "peace in our time".
You don't ASK for permission to exist. You just exist and stand for what you believe in. Those who don't like it can come bring their worst. If we cannot stand in the face of the angry faces and wagging fingers of whack jobs with imaginary friends, we don't deserve to exist.
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And what if that permission doesn't come? Do we grab ankle and quietly fade away, sufficiently chastened? Do we abandon our existence because theo hasn't given it his stamp of approval?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists cannot hold public, governmental or secular off |
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | we must realize the theists have us out numbered and our only chance is get them to accept our right to exist, |
I disagree. |
seriously? |
Yes. I could be wrong in my thinking, but I don't care if theists accept me or not, and I certainly am not about to suck up to them until they feel I've kissed enough ass to be allowed to exist.
Fuck them where they breathe. I don't need random acts of magnanimity from theists. I exist because I choose to exist, and if theists don't like it they can take a running jump. |
remember that they can vote. thus it very much matters what the majority thinks of us. |
I realize its late on Sunday night, but maybe tomorrow, I'd like to see what RedRaider has to say about getting permission to exist, as it were. Or perhaps Da_Mon or Zoc can give us a little insight on blacks convincing whites to allow them to exist. HB, I like you, I really do. But your willingness to appease and play nice with theo reminds me sometimes of Neville Chamberlain signing Czechoslovakia over to the Germans. I don't share your enthusiasm for "peace in our time". |
we are out numbered in a war that cannot be won. we have no choice but to win over the moderates.
blacks DID win over whites. if they had said, I don't care what those crackers think, they wouldn't have gotten anywhere. they won by appealing to our sense of decency. we atheists can do the same.
| Quote: | You don't ASK for permission to exist. You just exist and stand for what you believe in. Those who don't like it can come bring their worst. If we cannot stand in the face of the angry faces and wagging fingers of whack jobs with imaginary friends, we don't deserve to exist.
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And what if that permission doesn't come? Do we grab ankle and quietly fade away, sufficiently chastened? Do we abandon our existence because theo hasn't given it his stamp of approval? |
we will be fucked, no doubt about that. its a war that can't be won. you're whistling dixie.
we must do as the blacks have done and win over the majority. I believe that deep down most people are for fairness, and we can win our rights, by appealing to their sense of decency with things like a good PR campaign.
war against a vastly more numerous powerful foe is folly. we have no choice but reach out and win them over with charm, and by appealing to their sense of fairness. I don't think we should give up our rights, I want us to fight for them (in a realistic way) and since the majority votes, it very much matters what they think. (what if they vote to have atheism banned? (and stack the courts against us) |
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