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Gerard Nemesis (archly so)

Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 3996 Local time: 4:32 PM Location: Groningen, the Netherlands

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'm an antisometheists.
As opposed to a proothertheists.
Wait a minute......
Theism has adherents I wouldn't be anti about. Still there are also those....
Gerard _________________ The Historical Atlas of Europe
But as man exists in nature, I am not authorized to say that his formation, is above the power of nature.
Paul Henri Thiry Baron d' Holbach, (1723-1789)
Not collecting stamps is my hobby.
Gerard, (1962-*)
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 2461 Local time: 12:32 PM Location: I was hoping you could tell me.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | Quote: | | Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good. |
examples?
love thy neighbor?....aaaand? |
don't kill? |
That is old testimant shit. They can kill now, eat lobster, pork thy neighbor's wife and any of the other ten commandments. Jesus released us from that.....right? |
No he only stop the costum laws. _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
http://www.atheistforums.com/weblog.php?w=22 Tonyman1989 blog's - updated on 8/28/07 - An interview of steven weinberg on religion |
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Philosophos Do it

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 9289 Local time: 12:32 PM Location: Where Scum Are
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | Hard to give Christianity credit for those when anyone can do it. But I see your point.
Better to do it for Jebus than no one at all. |
I do it all for the nooky...
Should I feel suicidal now that I've quoted Limp Bizkit? _________________ The whores and politicians will shout 'save us'...
...and I'll whisper 'no'. |
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BarkAtTheMoon O Captain, my Captain

Joined: 20 Dec 2004 Posts: 4915 Local time: 12:32 PM Location: Wilmington, DE

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | Quote: | | Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good. |
examples?
love thy neighbor?....aaaand? |
Charity.
Family.
Love.
Mercy.
And the list goes on... or are those not "true" Christians who practice such things? |
Not sure I'd attribute all those to Christianity, per se. Certain Christians, yes, of course, and most of those people would likely act the same way regardless of what they believe in. A good person is a good person, an asshole is an asshole regardless. Christians just think it's because of Jesus that they're a good person.
But for example, the New Testament has some very anti-family lines in it depending on how someone reads it. I know some of the people on this board have told stories about very unloving, unmerciful reactions from their Christian families to their being an atheist. But if you pick and choose enough from just about any text or ideology, you'll be able to find some good stuff mixed in with the bad. I still say, you can get much, much more positive morality from the Harry Potter series, for example, and plenty other contemporary fiction, without having to believe it's really true or that people will be tortured for eternity, than you'll ever get out of the Bible.
Edit: Oh yeah.
| Philosophos wrote: | | Should I feel suicidal now that I've quoted Limp Bizkit? |
Yes. Yes you should. _________________ "The very existence of flame throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, 'You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.' - George Carlin
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey |
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Imagine Guest
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | I'm not anti-theist.. i'm anti-theism.
big difference. |
In Christian circles, that's comparable to hate the sin, but not the sinner.  |
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Gerard Nemesis (archly so)

Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 3996 Local time: 4:32 PM Location: Groningen, the Netherlands

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Imagine wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | I'm not anti-theist.. i'm anti-theism.
big difference. |
In Christian circles, that's comparable to hate the sin, but not the sinner.  |
Aaah...
Then that would be another one of their good points, wouldn't it?
Gerard _________________ The Historical Atlas of Europe
But as man exists in nature, I am not authorized to say that his formation, is above the power of nature.
Paul Henri Thiry Baron d' Holbach, (1723-1789)
Not collecting stamps is my hobby.
Gerard, (1962-*) |
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Specus_Meretricis Peddler of Bombast

Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 2754 Local time: 12:32 PM
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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I picked "yes" only because eventually I am going to find a reason to hate someone anyways. _________________ Fuck you bitch!!! I told you the asparagus is in the freezer! - William Shatner
What do you call someone that doesn't laugh at asparagus jokes? A human being. |
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Yellow_Number_Five Forum Master


Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 10036 Local time: 12:32 PM Location: The 5% Nation
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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I would have to say yes. So long as Christianity and other dogmas hold sway over how life works in the the country where I live I will be.
I would still count me as a "weak" or agnostic atheist though. _________________ I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. - Richard Dawkins
If you love God, burn a church! - Jello Biafra
When I hear of Schr?dinger's cat, I reach for my gun. - Stephen Hawking
Fear is just another word for ignorance. - Hunter S. Thompson
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hillbillyatheist Administrator


Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Posts: 15987 Local time: 11:32 AM Location: Denver Colorado.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: |
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yellow what would you say about socialism? there are plenty of secularist do-gooders who want to control our lives, and plenty of christian libertarians who don't.
would people who want to control us (no matter what stripe) be the bigger threat then just stupid beliefs?
which is worse? a Christian who thinks you are going to hell, but is a libertarian politically, or an atheist socialist who wants to get chavez style government running right here in the good ol' USA.
its not religion per se that is the problem. it is dogmatic thought combined with a self-rightuous desire to impose your beliefs onto others.
if that is christian right wingers wanting to force us to not look at porn, or a socialist atheist wanting to take our right to bear arms away, they are both a threat to my liberties.
an atheist, or christian who is for liberty is my ally, and his/her silly personal beliefs are of no consequence to me. |
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CET The Spiritual Atheist

Joined: 02 Apr 2003 Posts: 12846 Local time: 8:32 AM Location: SoCal, USA

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | I'm not anti-theist.. i'm anti-theism.
big difference. |
I'm neither, I'm anti-crazy-fuckers-who-try-to-kill-anyone-who-doesn't-follow-their-belief-system. This applies to cults of personality, such as totalitarian regimes. _________________ Namaste,
CET
The Spiritual Atheist
"Much of the suffering in the world comes from the delusion that we are separate from one another." - Gautama Buddha
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." - George Carlin |
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BarkAtTheMoon O Captain, my Captain

Joined: 20 Dec 2004 Posts: 4915 Local time: 12:32 PM Location: Wilmington, DE

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| CET wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | I'm not anti-theist.. i'm anti-theism.
big difference. |
I'm neither, I'm anti-crazy-fuckers-who-try-to-kill-anyone-who-doesn't-follow-their-belief-system. This applies to cults of personality, such as totalitarian regimes. |
I'd have to agree with this, but I'm also anti-stupidity/will ignorance/annoying people/assholes that can't drive/etc./etc./etc. which doesn't necessarily equal anti-theist per se, though it does tend to work out that way a lot of the time. Actually, it tends to include most people, in general, that I run into on a daily basis regardless of what nonsense they may or may not believe. _________________ "The very existence of flame throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, 'You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.' - George Carlin
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey |
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Mr_C Reckoner

Joined: 26 Jun 2006 Posts: 6616 Local time: 10:32 AM Location: Pale Blue Dot

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Based on the wiki definition, I chose "Yes" for personal and selfish reasons. I don't know the implications on mankind today, specifically the morality of the weak-minded (those who need the threat of hell), but I think I'd like to take that chance. _________________ "If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?"
Carl Sagan
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Summary: Just play nice, mmkay? |
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