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are you an antitheist
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm an antisometheists.

As opposed to a proothertheists.

Wait a minute...... Question Exclamation Idea WTF?

Theism has adherents I wouldn't be anti about. Still there are also those....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

baddogma wrote:
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Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good.


examples?

love thy neighbor?....aaaand?


don't kill?


That is old testimant shit. They can kill now, eat lobster, pork thy neighbor's wife and any of the other ten commandments. Jesus released us from that.....right?


No he only stop the costum laws.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

baddogma wrote:
Hard to give Christianity credit for those when anyone can do it. But I see your point.

Better to do it for Jebus than no one at all.

I do it all for the nooky...

Should I feel suicidal now that I've quoted Limp Bizkit?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Philosophos wrote:
baddogma wrote:
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Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good.


examples?

love thy neighbor?....aaaand?

Charity.

Family.

Love.

Mercy.

And the list goes on... or are those not "true" Christians who practice such things?


Not sure I'd attribute all those to Christianity, per se. Certain Christians, yes, of course, and most of those people would likely act the same way regardless of what they believe in. A good person is a good person, an asshole is an asshole regardless. Christians just think it's because of Jesus that they're a good person.

But for example, the New Testament has some very anti-family lines in it depending on how someone reads it. I know some of the people on this board have told stories about very unloving, unmerciful reactions from their Christian families to their being an atheist. But if you pick and choose enough from just about any text or ideology, you'll be able to find some good stuff mixed in with the bad. I still say, you can get much, much more positive morality from the Harry Potter series, for example, and plenty other contemporary fiction, without having to believe it's really true or that people will be tortured for eternity, than you'll ever get out of the Bible.


Edit: Oh yeah.

Philosophos wrote:
Should I feel suicidal now that I've quoted Limp Bizkit?

Yes. Yes you should.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moloth wrote:
I'm not anti-theist.. i'm anti-theism.

big difference.


In Christian circles, that's comparable to hate the sin, but not the sinner. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Imagine wrote:
Moloth wrote:
I'm not anti-theist.. i'm anti-theism.

big difference.


In Christian circles, that's comparable to hate the sin, but not the sinner. Wink



Aaah...

Then that would be another one of their good points, wouldn't it?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I picked "yes" only because eventually I am going to find a reason to hate someone anyways.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I would have to say yes. So long as Christianity and other dogmas hold sway over how life works in the the country where I live I will be.

I would still count me as a "weak" or agnostic atheist though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:17 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

yellow what would you say about socialism? there are plenty of secularist do-gooders who want to control our lives, and plenty of christian libertarians who don't.

would people who want to control us (no matter what stripe) be the bigger threat then just stupid beliefs?

which is worse? a Christian who thinks you are going to hell, but is a libertarian politically, or an atheist socialist who wants to get chavez style government running right here in the good ol' USA.

its not religion per se that is the problem. it is dogmatic thought combined with a self-rightuous desire to impose your beliefs onto others.

if that is christian right wingers wanting to force us to not look at porn, or a socialist atheist wanting to take our right to bear arms away, they are both a threat to my liberties.

an atheist, or christian who is for liberty is my ally, and his/her silly personal beliefs are of no consequence to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Moloth wrote:
I'm not anti-theist.. i'm anti-theism.

big difference.


I'm neither, I'm anti-crazy-fuckers-who-try-to-kill-anyone-who-doesn't-follow-their-belief-system. This applies to cults of personality, such as totalitarian regimes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

CET wrote:
Moloth wrote:
I'm not anti-theist.. i'm anti-theism.

big difference.


I'm neither, I'm anti-crazy-fuckers-who-try-to-kill-anyone-who-doesn't-follow-their-belief-system. This applies to cults of personality, such as totalitarian regimes.


I'd have to agree with this, but I'm also anti-stupidity/will ignorance/annoying people/assholes that can't drive/etc./etc./etc. which doesn't necessarily equal anti-theist per se, though it does tend to work out that way a lot of the time. Actually, it tends to include most people, in general, that I run into on a daily basis regardless of what nonsense they may or may not believe.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Based on the wiki definition, I chose "Yes" for personal and selfish reasons. I don't know the implications on mankind today, specifically the morality of the weak-minded (those who need the threat of hell), but I think I'd like to take that chance.
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