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WisdomManiac91
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| Quote: | | I would like to know how many on here are antitheist. |
I'm not. |
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Moloth
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | I'm not an antitheist, as many who've observed my recent behavior on these boards can vouch for.
People believe a lot of silly things. So what, beyond the pure asthetics of the matter? Religion's just the main forerunner in the plethora of silly beliefs that are held by people and can cause harm. And those are the criteria which make me attack. But religion qua religion? Meh - whatever. They're wrong, and I will debate those who hold wrong views just for shits and giggles. But do I go after religion in particular? No. I only "force" my views upon those who are wrong and can do serious damage with their wrongness. Nothing more. |
ah, but religion bundles together so many "wrong views" for one, multi-headed beast!
Bad morality.
Bad politics.
bad science.
bad philosophy.
bad ethics.
and even bad economics, in some cases.
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Mr_C
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | well, i apologize.. those terms confuse me.
I just wanted to be clear about what i was "anti-" about.  |
From my understanding about the word it seems that you are a antitheist because you don't want yehwah to exist.
Do I have it right? |
You've said this twice now, and I have to correct you:
Theism does not imply "Christian". It's any belief in any God. Deists are theists, which you seem to confuse in an earlier post.
Theos = "God", not necessarily YHWH or Thor or Osiris or Mr_C. Just the generic form of the word. Cool? |
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tonyman1989
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr_C wrote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | well, i apologize.. those terms confuse me.
I just wanted to be clear about what i was "anti-" about. |
From my understanding about the word it seems that you are a antitheist because you don't want yehwah to exist.
Do I have it right? |
You've said this twice now, and I have to correct you:
Theism does not imply "Christian". It's any belief in any God. Deists are theists, which you seem to confuse in an earlier post.
Theos = "God", not necessarily YHWH or Thor or Osiris or Mr_C. Just the generic form of the word. Cool? |
True, sorry for the confustion.
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baddogma
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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I would say that I think you should have the right to believe in what ever stupid shit floats yer boat...but deep down I am against ALL "supernatural" religions. I despise blind faith and instantly lose respect for some one when I find out they have an imaginary friend. I was more tolerant of stupid beliefs untill muslims went on a rampage. So all in all I am an antitheist. At least it is a legitimate word unlilke Aunicornist.
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Philosophos
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | I'm not an antitheist, as many who've observed my recent behavior on these boards can vouch for.
People believe a lot of silly things. So what, beyond the pure asthetics of the matter? Religion's just the main forerunner in the plethora of silly beliefs that are held by people and can cause harm. And those are the criteria which make me attack. But religion qua religion? Meh - whatever. They're wrong, and I will debate those who hold wrong views just for shits and giggles. But do I go after religion in particular? No. I only "force" my views upon those who are wrong and can do serious damage with their wrongness. Nothing more. |
ah, but religion bundles together so many "wrong views" for one, multi-headed beast!
Bad morality.
Bad politics.
bad science.
bad philosophy.
bad ethics.
and even bad economics, in some cases. |
Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good, but it's foundation in ethics is rotten to be sure.
Politics and economics? Read Rodney Stark's latest book for a counterargument.
Bad philosophy? Mmmmm... yeah, although many Christian philosophers advanced logic in the Middle Ages.
Bad science? Yeah.
And I guess that's why I'd strike against religion more than other mistakes.
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baddogma
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good. |
examples?
love thy neighbor?....aaaand?
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Moloth
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | I'm not an antitheist, as many who've observed my recent behavior on these boards can vouch for.
People believe a lot of silly things. So what, beyond the pure asthetics of the matter? Religion's just the main forerunner in the plethora of silly beliefs that are held by people and can cause harm. And those are the criteria which make me attack. But religion qua religion? Meh - whatever. They're wrong, and I will debate those who hold wrong views just for shits and giggles. But do I go after religion in particular? No. I only "force" my views upon those who are wrong and can do serious damage with their wrongness. Nothing more. |
ah, but religion bundles together so many "wrong views" for one, multi-headed beast!
Bad morality.
Bad politics.
bad science.
bad philosophy.
bad ethics.
and even bad economics, in some cases. |
Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good, but it's foundation in ethics is rotten to be sure.
Politics and economics? Read Rodney Stark's latest book for a counterargument.
Bad philosophy? Mmmmm... yeah, although many Christian philosophers advanced logic in the Middle Ages.
Bad science? Yeah.
And I guess that's why I'd strike against religion more than other mistakes. |
wait.. at the beginning of your post you say "Sorry - I disagree.", but at the end you say: "I guess that's why I'd strike against religion more than other mistakes"
..which is what i my point was. O_o
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tonyman1989
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | Quote: | | Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good. |
examples?
love thy neighbor?....aaaand? |
don't kill?
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Philosophos
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | wait.. at the beginning of your post you say "Sorry - I disagree.", but at the end you say: "I guess that's why I'd strike against religion more than other mistakes"
..which is what i my point was. O_o |
I'm mysterious...
I disagree with some of your specific points, but overall - yeah: religion can be a bundle o' hurt.
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Philosophos
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | Quote: | | Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good. |
examples?
love thy neighbor?....aaaand? |
Charity.
Family.
Love.
Mercy.
And the list goes on... or are those not "true" Christians who practice such things?
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | I would say that I think you should have the right to believe in what ever stupid shit floats yer boat...but deep down I am against ALL "supernatural" religions. I despise blind faith and instantly lose respect for some one when I find out they have an imaginary friend. I was more tolerant of stupid beliefs untill muslims went on a rampage. So all in all I am an antitheist. At least it is a legitimate word unlilke Aunicornist. |
Basically, I'm an anti-theist anti-theist. I always go for the double combo... |
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baddogma
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Basically, I'm an anti-theist anti-theist. I always go for the double combo... |
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baddogma
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | Quote: | | Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good. |
examples?
love thy neighbor?....aaaand? |
Charity.
Family.
Love.
Mercy.
And the list goes on... or are those not "true" Christians who practice such things? |
Hard to give Christianity credit for those when anyone can do it. But I see your point.
Better to do it for Jebus than no one at all.
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baddogma
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | Quote: | | Sorry - I disagree. The morality of some forms of Christianity is quite good. |
examples?
love thy neighbor?....aaaand? |
don't kill? |
That is old testimant shit. They can kill now, eat lobster, pork thy neighbor's wife and any of the other ten commandments. Jesus released us from that.....right?
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