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greyghost
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| Shiranu wrote: | | "Be God's Happy Clappy Friend!"? |
If I were them, I'd make God promise to call every night so they won't worry about him. They can say they just want to make sure he is safe. lol
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Mr_C
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone heard this argument before? |
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No, this guy claims it is only with God. As in YVWH. Not with Jesus. |
Does he believe that Jesus = God?
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LOL
Maybe one of them don't know when to shut up and let the other speak? |
It is scary to me that my own mother, for example, hears voices while driving down the road but it is completely socially-acceptable because it's "God". |
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone heard this argument before? |
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| greyghost wrote: | | I would not say I'm religious... I would simply tell you that I have a relationship with God. Christian is not a religion, religion is the belief and worship of a god, Christianity, though often practiced as a religion is actually a relationship. |
Yes. It's called "the argument from cowardice", as that's where it stems: cowardice. They're too cowardly to properly label their religion as a religion, since they do believe in and worship a god.
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baddogma
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Wickedtruth wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | greyghost wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Quote: | | Anyone heard this argument before? |
Obviously, you just told me. |
Trying to be clever? The keyword there is, "before". As in, have you heard the argument BEFORE I mentioned it. |
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Dang Dawk, you turn every thread into violence. Are you doing it on purpose, or just a side effect of Intelligence ?  |
I don't see how greyghost's inability to be jocular with my comments is my fault. Had anyone else made that statement the probability of him acting like a fucktard would probably had been nonexistent. |
Dawk, go suck a .12 gauge ..please....
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone heard this argument before? |
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| greyghost wrote: | I would not say I'm religious... I would simply tell you that I have a relationship with God. Christian is not a religion, religion is the belief and worship of a god, Christianity, though often practiced as a religion is actually a relationship.
Honestly, where the hell do they come up with this stuff? Do Xtians have some sort of fallacy making machine we don't know about? |
We are on the rise of being individuals so yes, you are going to hear it more and more. Atheists aren't the only ones that can't be herded. People are individuals. Why do you think there are so many religions which indeed are not the same as having a "relationship"  |
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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You know, it occurs to me that people want to be offended by Dawk so they can have a kaffeeklatch and cackle like old jewish women about it.
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| baddogma wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Wickedtruth wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | greyghost wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Quote: | | Anyone heard this argument before? |
Obviously, you just told me. |
Trying to be clever? The keyword there is, "before". As in, have you heard the argument BEFORE I mentioned it. |
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Dang Dawk, you turn every thread into violence. Are you doing it on purpose, or just a side effect of Intelligence ? |
I don't see how greyghost's inability to be jocular with my comments is my fault. Had anyone else made that statement the probability of him acting like a fucktard would probably had been nonexistent. |
Dawk, go suck a .12 gauge ..please.... |
Sorry, I don't have the same love fetish you do with arms such as guns or grenades. It must be because I haven't been corrupted by that military service you're so mindlessly proud of. |
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greyghost
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone heard this argument before? |
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| ShaSha wrote: | | greyghost wrote: | I would not say I'm religious... I would simply tell you that I have a relationship with God. Christian is not a religion, religion is the belief and worship of a god, Christianity, though often practiced as a religion is actually a relationship.
Honestly, where the hell do they come up with this stuff? Do Xtians have some sort of fallacy making machine we don't know about? |
We are on the rise of being individuals so yes, you are going to hear it more and more. Atheists aren't the only ones that can't be herded. People are individuals. Why do you think there are so many religions which indeed are not the same as having a "relationship" |
Care to explain with more detail? I'm interested in what you mean by "on the rise of being individuals"?
Anyway, the man I had the argument with (I wouldn't call it a debate), seems to very much believe that the bible is the word of "God" and such. He goes to church every Sunday so he told me, so I'm thinking he merely thought it was a good rebuttal to a point I made a few moments before.
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greyghost
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone heard this argument before? |
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| Mr_C wrote: | | greyghost wrote: |
No, this guy claims it is only with God. As in YVWH. Not with Jesus. |
Does he believe that Jesus = God?
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Damn, didn't ask. I assume so, but who knows. He seems to think the word of the bible is infallible, but he also seems to be fairly literate in it. He can be some sort of new age Xtian for all I know....
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"Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons."-Bertrand Russell
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone heard this argument before? |
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| greyghost wrote: | I would not say I'm religious... I would simply tell you that I have a relationship with God. Christian is not a religion, religion is the belief and worship of a god, Christianity, though often practiced as a religion is actually a relationship.
Honestly, where the hell do they come up with this stuff? Do Xtians have some sort of fallacy making machine we don't know about? |
Yeah, Christians are prone to simply redefine things however they want. When I was a kid, and still a believer, one of my pastors said that "religion is man reaching up to God, but Christianity is God reaching down to man." What a crock! 
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | You know, it occurs to me that people want to be offended by Dawk so they can have a kaffeeklatch and cackle like old jewish women about it. |
So Dawk provides a valuable service!?
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baddogma
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Wickedtruth wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | greyghost wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Quote: | | Anyone heard this argument before? |
Obviously, you just told me. |
Trying to be clever? The keyword there is, "before". As in, have you heard the argument BEFORE I mentioned it. |
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Dang Dawk, you turn every thread into violence. Are you doing it on purpose, or just a side effect of Intelligence ? |
I don't see how greyghost's inability to be jocular with my comments is my fault. Had anyone else made that statement the probability of him acting like a fucktard would probably had been nonexistent. |
Dawk, go suck a .12 gauge ..please.... |
Sorry, I don't have the same love fetish you do with arms such as guns or grenades. It must be because I haven't been corrupted by that military service you're so mindlessly proud of. |
You can borrow mine.
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The meme of "I'm having a personal relationship with god" is quite popular now in new age, Western Protestants, and I heard it claimed many times by people when I was a Christian.
It seems to be a little bit of bragadoccia, brought on by the rise of individualism in the West, for it certainly isn't an ancient Jewish tradition.
It's kind of like celebrity name dropping to let people know that you're 'tight' with god. That you hang out with god, and he's got your back.
When people spout this empty nonsense, I usually take a somewhat sarcastic tactic, and ask them to expand on exactly what this 'relationship' is all about.
I'll say; "I have personal relationships with my wife, children, extended family, co-workers and friends, which typically involved us doing things together, caring for each other, going places together, eating together, etc...but I'm not sure how a 'personal relationship' with something 'invisible' works...can you explain it to me?"
At the point you can proceed to get the person to claim that they really do hear 'voices', that they assume is god's voice, telling them what to wear, or what job offer to accept, or what to have for lunch...or they are forced to admit they really don't 'hear' anything...it's all just warm and fuzzy feelings and emotions they get when they think about this invisible thing they call god.
Surely you knew someone who had an invisible friend as a child, that is what god often becomes for certain adults who need to feel that there is someone or something 'out there' that cares for them, loves them, and can guide their every decision and thought.
I'm sure it is a great comfort to many.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: |
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wow... well said, LGM.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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The god of the 14 billion year old, 10 ^22 star universe deeply cares about me. All you atheists are too arrogant to understand.
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