Any believers

anamoly · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject:

No. I don't think you were...I wanted to know too but I did not mean to have your beliefs put under a microscope...Moloth even said he wasn't aware of what you believed so apparently you don't talk about like someone who preaches...It's all good. I was interested and intrigued.
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Jason_Harvestdancer · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:13 am Post subject:

No problem anamoly. That was directed at baddogma who may have mis-interpreted my own answers to you and Moloth.
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Moloth · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:23 am Post subject:

I ahve one other question, Jason... answer it as deeply (or not at all!) as you wish:

WHY do you believe in the deities that you do? What makes them real in your mind? what evidences or proofs, internal, personal or otherwise, led you to believe that these deities are real?

Purely curious,
Moloth
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Mr_C · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:28 am Post subject:

Forgive me, Jason, but your beliefs sound really random and arbitrary. I'm also curious what these gods are made out of once they reach god status? Do they have DNA, or are they of a supernatural/spirit realm?
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I know you're not preaching, and I truly respect that. I'm just curious, and I respect your beliefs even if I disagree that there are supernatural aspects to our universe.

Edit: Looks like Moloth has a similar question, but beat me to it Smile

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Jason_Harvestdancer · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject:

The easy question first. What are the Gods made out of? I don't know. Since I never physically met one, I never had a chance to take a sample of its flesh to study. Seriously, I don't know.

Why do I believe in them? That's a tougher one. As I noted earlier, I have absolutely no objective evidence to support my beliefs. The best I could possibly offer is subjective. Based on the lack of evidence for any theology, the most rational position is agnostic, followed by soft atheist and soft theist.

You might consider it a personal failure on my part, but I have to believe that things do make sense, even morally. Wicca does a good job with the question of the existence of evil, and it also does a good job with the question of the innocent victim. For a reincarnationist, the question of why someone is born healthy and rich and someone else born poor and sick is answered, even though the answer is faith based. But that doesn't answer the question of the deities themselves. Technically I could have stopped there and been a Buddhist.

So the question is the deities themselves. I believe in them because they told me to, basically. It is hard to describe it, but I feel that a few of them have intervened in my life, that at least one of them regard me as a follower. This is based on the use of divination and meditation. I know the next two questions.

How do I know divination and meditation work? I don't.

Which deity in particular? Prometheus.
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baddogma · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject:

baddogma · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject:

Mr C,

I have been meaning to post a comment on how much respect I have for you. Coming into this forum as a Christian and honestly talking about the hard topics we cover here and then making a 180. Dude...my hat is off to you. I wish my brothers were as honest in seeking the"truth".

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WisdomManiac91 · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject:

Forgive my intrusion Jason, but I'm just a little curious. I have studied religion somewhat, but I am unsure as to what type of theist you are. Are you polytheistic, henotheistic, maybe even kathenotheistic?

Could you clarify?

Moloth · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject:

Jason_Harvestdancer · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject:

Polythestic. I'm not Heno or Katheno.

Like I said, it comes down to faith, and I never claimed otherwise. Scientifically speaking the only sensible position is agnosticism, followed by both soft atheism and soft theism.

Yes, it sounds silly that it all comes down to feelings, but in the complete absense of objective evidence in either direction, there really isn't much else to go on. I gave you the abbreviated version though, as I had to go through a bit of a lengthy theodicy before I moved from soft theism to polytheism.
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WisdomManiac91 · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject:

Deoxy · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject:

I dated a string of Wiccans when I was younger - My mothers family were a string of old white witches and eccentrics - you know - A tiny one floor house (a bungalow) filled with cats, crystals, and a bunch of books on the occult - those kinds of people.

I get along with Wiccan's mostly because they know what it's like to be demonized just like an atheist does. Generally the failing is where they are too instilled with the faulty belief that everyone has a spiritual need inside them that requires that they believe in something supernatural as a given fact.

One of the main reasons the even logical people still subscribe to this nonsense is the fact that the myth that human beings only use 10% of their brain capacity is still regarded as factual and scientifically accurate by many people when in fact it is entirely wrong is an expansion upon a misunderstanding of some factual information given out when the human brain was first subjected to Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI's).

A quick search about the human brain should turn up the details for those interested.

Regards,
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ShaSha · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:48 am Post subject:

Great thread, lots of fun and very interesting.

Sorry I had to bail but as I mentioned in my last post, I was going to be traveling and computer time was very limited.

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