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sumgai
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 Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: Another night alone in thought... |
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Hi I'm sumgai. I was just writing some thoughts in my notebook and I feel the need to share them with someone. I just transcribed this right out of my notebook so I'm sorry if it looks a little rushed and vulgar. Thanks for listening; here's what I wrote:
| Quote: | No matter how much we try to sugarcoat life and try to make it spiritual, the truth remains that we are only animals. "Happiness" and all emotions exist to drive us toward survival and replication.
It just sucks that our intelligence is so greatly evolved that instead of living a simple life like other animals (eat, sleep, ****, take a ****, and repeat) we have the capacity to make thoughtful observations, to realize that we are born, we survive and replicate if we are genetically fit for our environment, and we die.
The knowledge that everyone dies conflicts with our instincts -- we want to survive! This causes confusion: we are here to survive and replicate, but what's the point of all that if everyone is going to die anyway?
Those who realize that there is no answer to this question are genetically unfit for their environment and are less likely to survive and replicate.
Others who are more biologically advanced and genetically fit for their environment create the fantasy of religion to cope with the knowledge of their impending deaths. These people are more likely to survive and replicate.
Belief in a religion is just another genetic trait to aid in survival and replication. |
Thanks again for listening. These are just some thoughts that I had tonight. Any thoughts or corrections are welcome. |
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Ah, what else ARE nights alone good for? Some of my most epic questions have come from brooding till 6 in the morning...
...I wouldn't say atheists have a lower survivability, though, they are just on average more intelligent, thus have less kids, thus you see alot less of us.
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You need air, and there is a breeze.
You need food, and there is a field of wheat.
You need water, and there is stream.
You need companionship, and there is a mate.
You need the divine, and there is a God. 
It really is that simple.
If you don't get air, you immediately feel distress.
If you don't get food, you soon feel distress.
If you don't get water, you soon feel distress.
If you dont get companionship, you soon feel distress.
If you don't get God you soon find yourself writing sad journal entries late at night.
Don't let a bunch of hype-complicated thinking, obfuscation, and screaming keep you from reaching out and embracing what you need.
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Shiranu
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"Cant sleep, therefor GOD!!!!!"
Because Christians NEVER write late night diaries...
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Welcome sumgai!
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Another night alone in thought... |
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| sumgai wrote: |
It just sucks that our intelligence is so greatly evolved that instead of living a simple life like other animals (eat, sleep, ****, take a ****, and repeat) we have the capacity to make thoughtful observations, to realize that we are born, we survive and replicate if we are genetically fit for our environment, and we die.
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It sucks???
Sorry, for me that is the greatest gift we can ever have: that we can know and understand. That is a million times better than any drug on this planet. Without knowledge, you are proned to any mind manipulation, brainwashing technique that uksters will use on you. Without knowledge, you're nothing but a delusional, ignorant, and gullible person. |
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| Quote: | | The knowledge that everyone dies conflicts with our instincts -- we want to survive! This causes confusion: we are here to survive and replicate, but what's the point of all that if everyone is going to die anyway? |
What's the point? The point is that knowing you are going to die makes you want to spend as much time reproducing as you can so you can pass on your genes to the next generation. It also makes you want to get in as much living as you can, because you know you'll never have a second chance. If you lived forever, you'd never be motivated to do anything with your life.
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| ApostateLois wrote: | | Quote: | | The knowledge that everyone dies conflicts with our instincts -- we want to survive! This causes confusion: we are here to survive and replicate, but what's the point of all that if everyone is going to die anyway? |
What's the point? The point is that knowing you are going to die makes you want to spend as much time reproducing as you can so you can pass on your genes to the next generation. It also makes you want to get in as much living as you can, because you know you'll never have a second chance. If you lived forever, you'd never be motivated to do anything with your life. |
I do not know how to thnk along your lines and similar lines that think there would be no motivation. I don't mean to point you out in this because there are many who have said it and I really don't get it. Anybody who wants to, can you tell me why motivation wouldn't be there if I lived forever?
I believe I have always been and always will be but not necessarily as my identity. Even in this identity knowing that I could live for 90 years on earth, I have become many different things including a few different name. I married and had a name change and a life change and I was different. I had children and I became different. I became a member on forums and had several name changes and always I grew from each experience. My motivations at each moment were for that time frame but I always have motivations of some sort. So I have problems wondering how anybody cannot have motivations no matter whether they believe in an afterlife or not. How does not believing in an afterlife motivate?
I thnk it is only depression which I had once, deep long lasting type, that cuts down on motivation in my experience. When I left that behind motivation never ceased. And the same is true prior to that time. Sure there are lulls in my life where I am coasting and maybe not feeling motivated but I eventually get into that flow.
Anyhoo, you have raised a good topic to continue here or start a new thread. Thanks. |
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| Meh_Gerbil wrote: | You need air, and there is a breeze.
You need food, and there is a field of wheat.
You need water, and there is stream.
You need companionship, and there is a mate.
You need the divine, and there is a God.
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…and there is the poetry of Meh_Gerbil.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Another night alone in thought... |
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| sumgai wrote: | No matter how much we try to sugarcoat life and try to make it spiritual, the truth remains that we are only animals. "Happiness" and all emotions exist to drive us toward survival and replication.
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It would seem the emotions of severe depression that drives certain people to commit suicide refutes your above statement. Also, plenty of people are quite happy to remain childless. Just beacuse you can make 'thoughtful observations', doesn't mean they are true or accurate.
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It just sucks that our intelligence is so greatly evolved that instead of living a simple life like other animals (eat, sleep, ****, take a ****, and repeat) we have the capacity to make thoughtful observations, to realize that we are born, we survive and replicate if we are genetically fit for our environment, and we die.
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Other animals can make 'thoughtful observations' just like you can. Your species lived very simple lives for most of it's history. It's only very recently that a few of them have learned what a 'gene' is.
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The knowledge that everyone dies conflicts with our instincts -- we want to survive!
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The knowledge that you are going to eventually die, hardly conflicts with your desire to step out of the way of an oncoming bus.
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This causes confusion: we are here to survive and replicate, but what's the point of all that if everyone is going to die anyway?
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The point of survival and replication, is survival and replication...were you looking for something more profound?
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Those who realize that there is no answer to this question are genetically unfit for their environment and are less likely to survive and replicate.
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Clearly you are not one of those who I earlier mentioned actually understand genetics. Your genes provide you the capacity to grasp your mortality and your own body odor, neither of those tidbits of knowledge make you 'genetically unfit' for your 'environment'.
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Others who are more biologically advanced and genetically fit for their environment create the fantasy of religion to cope with the knowledge of their impending deaths. These people are more likely to survive and replicate.
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LOL...so people who believe in an afterlife are more 'biologically advanced and gentically fit' then those who don't?
Please...that's a ridiculous claim that you can't support with any evidence.
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Belief in a religion is just another genetic trait to aid in survival and replication. |
All religious beliefs, and the countless afterlife beliefs of the countless religions, are simply evolving cultural memeplexes, they are not 'genetic traits', any more than the English language or Rap music are genetic traits. Adopting the dominant, normative, religious beliefs of one's culture, helps chatty, social hominids get along with each other.
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Feel better now, Sumgai?
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| Quote: | | Ah, what else ARE nights alone good for? |
A nice quiet wank,fort a start. 
I'm nearly 61 years old and childless by choice. Yes, I've had some regrets,but not enough to wish I'd had any little clones.
Happiness is overrated, if you mean euphoria or a deep quiet joy. I've known little of either,and have always had to pay the piper.
Today, I accept the purpose and meaning of life as itself. I am closer to accepting myself as I am than I have ever been. Today I'm more content than not. Others compliment my life. I do not need others to define myself or to make my life worthwhile.
I have also learned the simple but crucial to difference between loneliness and solitude.; The former is misery.The latter is being content in one's own company. |
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anne frank believed in god and she wrote a diary at night
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| chookrooter wrote: | | Quote: | | Ah, what else ARE nights alone good for? |
A nice quiet wank,fort a start.
I'm nearly 61 years old and childless by choice. Yes, I've had some regrets,but not enough to wish I'd had any little clones.
Happiness is overrated, if you mean euphoria or a deep quiet joy. I've known little of either,and have always had to pay the piper.
Today, I accept the purpose and meaning of life as itself. I am closer to accepting myself as I am than I have ever been. Today I'm more content than not. Others compliment my life. I do not need others to define myself or to make my life worthwhile.
I have also learned the simple but crucial to difference between loneliness and solitude.; The former is misery.The latter is being content in one's own company. |
damn dude i got tears of happiness right now im so glad for you
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Another night alone in thought... |
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| LakeGeorgeMan wrote: | | sumgai wrote: | No matter how much we try to sugarcoat life and try to make it spiritual, the truth remains that we are only animals. "Happiness" and all emotions exist to drive us toward survival and replication.
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It would seem the emotions of severe depression that drives certain people to commit suicide refutes your above statement. Also, plenty of people are quite happy to remain childless. Just beacuse you can make 'thoughtful observations', doesn't mean they are true or accurate.
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It just sucks that our intelligence is so greatly evolved that instead of living a simple life like other animals (eat, sleep, ****, take a ****, and repeat) we have the capacity to make thoughtful observations, to realize that we are born, we survive and replicate if we are genetically fit for our environment, and we die.
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Other animals can make 'thoughtful observations' just like you can. Your species lived very simple lives for most of it's history. It's only very recently that a few of them have learned what a 'gene' is.
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The knowledge that everyone dies conflicts with our instincts -- we want to survive!
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The knowledge that you are going to eventually die, hardly conflicts with your desire to step out of the way of an oncoming bus.
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This causes confusion: we are here to survive and replicate, but what's the point of all that if everyone is going to die anyway?
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The point of survival and replication, is survival and replication...were you looking for something more profound?
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Those who realize that there is no answer to this question are genetically unfit for their environment and are less likely to survive and replicate.
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Clearly you are not one of those who I earlier mentioned actually understand genetics. Your genes provide you the capacity to grasp your mortality and your own body odor, neither of those tidbits of knowledge make you 'genetically unfit' for your 'environment'.
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Others who are more biologically advanced and genetically fit for their environment create the fantasy of religion to cope with the knowledge of their impending deaths. These people are more likely to survive and replicate.
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LOL...so people who believe in an afterlife are more 'biologically advanced and gentically fit' then those who don't?
Please...that's a ridiculous claim that you can't support with any evidence.
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Belief in a religion is just another genetic trait to aid in survival and replication. |
All religious beliefs, and the countless afterlife beliefs of the countless religions, are simply evolving cultural memeplexes, they are not 'genetic traits', any more than the English language or Rap music are genetic traits. Adopting the dominant, normative, religious beliefs of one's culture, helps chatty, social hominids get along with each other. |
i dont think he was writing a scientific hypothesis dude...
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