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CET
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 Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Alone in the Universe |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | CET wrote: | There are BILLIONS of galaxies in the universe. Each galaxy has BILLIONS of stars. Even if only 1 in 1,000,000 stars has the right conditions to begin life, let alone sustain, that's still a BILLION inhabitable planets in the universe.
Are you saying that the chance of intelligent life existing in the universe is less than 1 to a BILLION against? |
There's no way of saying. It could be that 1 to a BILLION is spot on, as well as totally wrong. It is pure speculation. |
Yeah, I'm pullin the numbers out of my butt. However I made my numbers overly skeptical. The odds are in the favor of Hit_me of 1,000,000,000/1 at best. If I were a gamblin man, I wouldn't play those numbers. I'd win the lottery jackpot twice before this one pays off.
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coloringzebras
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| too many working variables to not think there is intelligent life. |
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SvZurich
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | Quote: | | Also North and South poles switch and Magnetic North wanders constantly |
bull shit the north and south poles dont switch, if that was true then there would be no set seasons, no calender, no repeating night and day. Not saying the poles do not move but they definatley do not "switch", so let me get this striaght the Earths is just free ballin huh? rolling whatever way it feels like!- I think not |
Axial Tilt is the Reason for the Season. We have a fixed axial tilt and move in an elliptical orbit. During Winter in the Northern Hemisphere, the Southern Hemisphere is pointing towards Sol to experience Summer while the Earth is at its closest to Sol. During Summer in the Northern Hemisphere, we are pointing towards Sol while the Southern Hemisphere is pointing away and experiencing Winter and the Earth is at its furthest from Sol.
Yes, during our Summer, we have are as far away from the sun as possible, and closest to it during our Winter. This moderates our seasons, while the Southern Hemisphere gets more extreme temperature variations.
And yes, the magnetic poles DO switch. They weaken, shut off, and reverse before starting back up. Your compass, if it lasts long enough, will point South someday.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Here's a cool time dilation experiment you can try yourself:
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=31990
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Time dilation is real, but that experiment is way off.
At 54 mi/hr, time would slow down by .999 999 999 999 936. You would need a watch that would show 13 significant digits before any change could be measured. After 24 min, the time on the moving clock would be 23.999 999 999 998 min. |
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Jutter
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| GodWarrior98 wrote: | | Naoryunosuke wrote: | | GodWarrior98 wrote: | | Two million years relative to who? |
You lost your right to ask me any questions after that outburst. |
It's not a fucking right to ask you shit, retard. It's not a right to teach a special education class, and that's what Joseph is doing right now. Go fuck yourself, retard. Fuckwits like you are the reason society is crumbling. |
That's Godwarrior's way of saying he has a gay crush on you. He doesn't know how else to express it, because Jesus forbids him to jerk off and his blue aching balls are making him cranky.
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Naoryunosuke
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Jutter wrote: | | That's Godwarrior's way of saying he has a gay crush on you. He doesn't know how else to express it, because Jesus forbids him to jerk off and his blue aching balls are making him cranky. |
I find it funny that he could give me such crap for raising a few simple points and he blames me for the fall of society. |
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: | | Jutter wrote: | | That's Godwarrior's way of saying he has a gay crush on you. He doesn't know how else to express it, because Jesus forbids him to jerk off and his blue aching balls are making him cranky. |
I find it funny that he could give me such crap for raising a few simple points and he blames me for the fall of society. |
About the blame-game, he may be right... (this assessment came after a careful look at your avatar)  |
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Hit_me_up024
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| SvZurich wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | Quote: | | Also North and South poles switch and Magnetic North wanders constantly |
bull shit the north and south poles dont switch, if that was true then there would be no set seasons, no calender, no repeating night and day. Not saying the poles do not move but they definatley do not "switch", so let me get this striaght the Earths is just free ballin huh? rolling whatever way it feels like!- I think not |
Axial Tilt is the Reason for the Season. We have a fixed axial tilt and move in an elliptical orbit. During Winter in the Northern Hemisphere, the Southern Hemisphere is pointing towards Sol to experience Summer while the Earth is at its closest to Sol. During Summer in the Northern Hemisphere, we are pointing towards Sol while the Southern Hemisphere is pointing away and experiencing Winter and the Earth is at its furthest from Sol.
Yes, during our Summer, we have are as far away from the sun as possible, and closest to it during our Winter. This moderates our seasons, while the Southern Hemisphere gets more extreme temperature variations.
And yes, the magnetic poles DO switch. They weaken, shut off, and reverse before starting back up. Your compass, if it lasts long enough, will point South someday. |
like i said my opinions and views have changed. Not completely convinced that other intelligent life exist, although im sure its possible.
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HxC
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: | | All we know from relativity is that time is relative to the speed of the observer, whatever "time" is. One can argue ad infinitum what is the true nature of time -- philosophically or physically, and even physically, thermodynamics has also a pov on time that often escapes the average person. But, in many situations, we know that we must factor in Einstein's equations, otherwise, we could get in trouble -- the GPS being one, for instance. |
If we're talking about time from the standpoint of the observer then they would certainly say that it only took X amount of years. let's say 1 million years to the observer. However the mathematics don't make sense if the object didn't take 2 million years to get there, so from the standpoint of relativity and time it would be both. |
they'd both be right.
for the traveller, it would be a short trip.
for the observers, it would be thousands of years.
you're confused about simultaneity.
here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wteiuxyqtoM
also, what you were saying before that about time not existing because it's a dimension...
you can move through space in three directions.
time is just another direction to move.
a good example would be if you've ever used the program Flash.
you can decide where a picture will appear.
you can place it on the left side of the screen or the right, top or bottom, and even over or under other layers on the same frame.
you can also decide when it will happen, by putting it in an earlier or later frame.
using Flash, you're working in 4 dimensions.
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Naoryunosuke
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| HxC wrote: | | you're confused about simultaneity. |
No I'm not, as I said it would be both. |
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HxC
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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nvm then
sounded like you were complaining about them being different.
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Naoryunosuke
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| HxC wrote: | | sounded like you were complaining about them being different. |
My only complaint is of the definition of time. In the case of light years we're defining time by a universal constant, something that doesn't change in accordance to the observer, the speed of light. We consider time, in this case, to be the amount of time light took to go from point A to point B, which is 2 million years, and the craft is still travelling from point A to point B in 2 million years, they have merely suffered a different effect of molecular motion during those 2 million years.
We could say they have suffered the effect of 28,000 years, but time as a sense of a universal constant hasn't changed at all. If the craft could get from point A to point B in 28,000 years however, that's a completely different story.
As joseph said we could argue for forever about what time is, but like I said time is merely a dimension, it separates events. What happens in between those events however, that's relative to the observer. |
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: |
If the craft could get from point A to point B in 28,000 years however, that's a completely different story.
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According to the people in the spaceship, they will think, assuming they survive the ordeal, that they have traveled 28,000 light-years. But we would correct them in pointing out that their ruler has shrunk during their voyage at 99.99% of c. It`s just that time dilation and space contraction go hand-in-hand... ergh, like love and marriage... |
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GodWarrior98
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| Jutter wrote: | | GodWarrior98 wrote: | | Naoryunosuke wrote: | | GodWarrior98 wrote: | | Two million years relative to who? |
You lost your right to ask me any questions after that outburst. |
It's not a fucking right to ask you shit, retard. It's not a right to teach a special education class, and that's what Joseph is doing right now. Go fuck yourself, retard. Fuckwits like you are the reason society is crumbling. |
That's Godwarrior's way of saying he has a gay crush on you. He doesn't know how else to express it, because Jesus forbids him to jerk off and his blue aching balls are making him cranky. |
XD rofl 10/10 you should be a fucking stand up comic holy shit man
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