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HxC
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: | | HxC wrote: | | sounded like you were complaining about them being different. |
My only complaint is of the definition of time. In the case of light years we're defining time by a universal constant, something that doesn't change in accordance to the observer, the speed of light. We consider time, in this case, to be the amount of time light took to go from point A to point B, which is 2 million years, and the craft is still travelling from point A to point B in 2 million years, they have merely suffered a different effect of molecular motion during those 2 million years.
We could say they have suffered the effect of 28,000 years, but time as a sense of a universal constant hasn't changed at all. If the craft could get from point A to point B in 28,000 years however, that's a completely different story.
As joseph said we could argue for forever about what time is, but like I said time is merely a dimension, it separates events. What happens in between those events however, that's relative to the observer. |
it is a 28,000 year trip, for the traveller.
it is a 2 million year trip from the observer's perspective.
let's say we're immortal.
the traveller ages 28,000 years.
we age 2 million years waiting for them to get to point B.
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Naoryunosuke
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| HxC wrote: | the traveller ages 28,000 years.
we age 2 million years waiting for them to get to point B. |
You're missing the point, we're not talking about time from the perspective of the observer. |
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eximius
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The travelers travel for 28,000 years.
For the observers there is no time dilation so they have been traveling for 2 million years.
Both are right from their own reference points. Simultaneity.
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Naoryunosuke
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You know what, just forget it, I'm sick of being told what I already know after we've established twice already that I know it.
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HxC
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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then what are you arguing about?
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GodWarrior98
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: | | You know what, just forget it, I'm sick of being told what I already know after we've established twice already that I know it. |
You are merely applying definitions that need not be applied.
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CET
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| HxC wrote: | | then what are you arguing about? |
BECAUSE THIS IS THE INTERNET, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Moloth
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| CET wrote: | | HxC wrote: | | then what are you arguing about? |
BECAUSE THIS IS THE INTERNET, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
lol... exactly.
to say "oh... yes, i agree, you're right".. is somehow strangely unfulfilling.
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BarkAtTheMoon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | CET wrote: | | HxC wrote: | | then what are you arguing about? |
BECAUSE THIS IS THE INTERNET, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
lol... exactly.
to say "oh... yes, i agree, you're right".. is somehow strangely unfulfilling. |
Wrong again.
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Proximo
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I am reminded of this quote by the late, great Astronomer, Carl Sagan:
| Quote: | | If we are alone in the Universe, it sure seems like an awful waste of space. |
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Jutter
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| Proximo wrote: | I am reminded of this quote by the late, great Astronomer, Carl Sagan:
| Quote: | | If we are alone in the Universe, it sure seems like an awful waste of space. |
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In my more cynical moods, I'm inclined to think that if there WERE more like us out there, that would be en even bigger waste of space.
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Jutter wrote: | | Proximo wrote: | I am reminded of this quote by the late, great Astronomer, Carl Sagan:
| Quote: | | If we are alone in the Universe, it sure seems like an awful waste of space. |
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In my more cynical moods, I'm inclined to think that if there WERE more like us out there, that would be en even bigger waste of space. |
Not to mention all the pollution... |
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Mr_C
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | Jutter wrote: | | Proximo wrote: | I am reminded of this quote by the late, great Astronomer, Carl Sagan:
| Quote: | | If we are alone in the Universe, it sure seems like an awful waste of space. |
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In my more cynical moods, I'm inclined to think that if there WERE more like us out there, that would be en even bigger waste of space. |
Not to mention all the pollution... |
Ha!  |
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Moloth
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| BarkAtTheMoon wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | CET wrote: | | HxC wrote: | | then what are you arguing about? |
BECAUSE THIS IS THE INTERNET, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
lol... exactly.
to say "oh... yes, i agree, you're right".. is somehow strangely unfulfilling. |
Wrong again. |
prove it, coward.
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CET
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| BarkAtTheMoon wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | CET wrote: | | HxC wrote: | | then what are you arguing about? |
BECAUSE THIS IS THE INTERNET, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
lol... exactly.
to say "oh... yes, i agree, you're right".. is somehow strangely unfulfilling. |
Wrong again. |
NO U!!1!11!
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