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PopeyesPappy
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| Cybercommuter wrote: | | If only the government would cancel even one contract for missiles and bombs, I wonder how many hungry people they could feed with that money. I truly would pay taxes with a smile if it were going toward some worthwhile cause like feeding the hungry. Oops! Probably should not have made a political statement. Someone is sure to reply that missiles that "protect us from nasty terrorists" are more important than feeding the poor. But so be it. |
I don’t know about protecting us from nasty terrorists but I do know that every time you cancel a missile contract around here you cost a bunch of engineers and other professionals their jobs. I promise you that any time a smallish local economy like Huntsville loses a 100 $85K a year jobs it trickles down. Less eating out, less lawn mowing service, no more trips to the movies more foreclosures. Everyone feels it.
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| I agree with everyone who says to give food. |
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Philosophos
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A Buddhist teacher of mine suggested carrying 5 bills/coins a day for a week (whatever's most at your level) and giving one to whoever asks without hesitation as a practice to monitor your internal state. I haven't done that practice, yet, though.
| caseagainstfaith wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | The OP's dilemma is something that I struggle with, too, and in fact bothers me greatly.
I don't have an answer for it. |
Tell them teh Godz are teh sux and teh gonna doe soon anyway so fuck-off while you go blow some cash on some cash on meth and hookers.
Works for me. |
Troll.
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Confessionalian
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| Things are still better in the US, than they are Bangladesh. |
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the_antithesis
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| Philosophos wrote: | | The problem comes with begging to an audience, where a person will "gladly accept food or money". The food's accepted as kinda a show to increase the probability of others in the audience of giving money. |
In my experience, addicts are not that clever or patient. There is little point in worrying about it. |
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caseagainstfaith
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| Philosophos wrote: | | caseagainstfaith wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | The OP's dilemma is something that I struggle with, too, and in fact bothers me greatly.
I don't have an answer for it. |
Tell them teh Godz are teh sux and teh gonna die soon anyway so fuck-off while you go blow some cash on some cash on meth and hookers.
Works for me. |
Troll. |
Another option is to mention that teh Philo is teh sux and he's gonna die soon anyway so go take his money.
This also works well.
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| Philosophos wrote: | | A Buddhist teacher of mine suggested carrying 5 bills/coins a day for a week (whatever's most at your level) and giving one to whoever asks without hesitation |
Gimmie money Phil! |
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Case againt faith has me rolling! Teh philo iz teh sux! Ah ha ha ha!  |
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trenchchic
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| PopeyesPappy wrote: | | Personally I’m a sucker for the people with a dog sitting at an intersection with a will work for food sign. They usually get whatever change I have in the ashtray. |
That gets me everytime too. A guy (or gal) can get a job; a dog can't.
Man, I hate to see people/animals suffering; it kills me. I once read that when we hear of massive numbers of people suffering (Holocaust, etc) that our brains are apathic to it because if we weren't, we'd go insane thinking about the suffering of others. When we see one person/animal suffering it's bad enough. Imagine that feeling on a large scale.
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| PirateBard wrote: | But IMO, your wife was right. If you really wanted to help him out you could have offered a sandwich or something like that. I guess it also depends on the 'feeling' you get from the kid.
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That was sort of how I felt after already turning him away, that I should have offered him a sandwich at least. On the street, in the shopping mall and the like, it doesn't catch me off guard to have a beggar come up to me asking for money. But to have someone come up to my front door, and a teenager at that, I was totally unprepared. Usually when I see a stranger approaching, it is most likely a bible thumper, so even though this was a kid, I was half expecting the "god invites you to our church" pitch. But yes, if I had it to do all over, I would offer him a sandwich. He did not look the type to be casing the joint for a return visit. Although looks can sometimes be deceiving.
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OTOH, if you can spare some and you just don't because you're worried about what he's going to spend it on... That's where it gets gray I suppose.
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No, that thought never entered my mind. He had an honest face.
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"A homeless guy came up to me the other day and said, 'hey, could you spare some change? I'm broke,' and I asked him, 'Do you have any credit-card debt?'
He said, 'No,' so I told him, 'Well then, buddy, you're not broke. I'm broke. You're even! I'm still paying for food I ate six years ago!'"
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Now THAT makes a lot of sense!
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| PopeyesPappy wrote: | | Cybercommuter wrote: | | If only the government would cancel even one contract for missiles and bombs, I wonder how many hungry people they could feed with that money. I truly would pay taxes with a smile if it were going toward some worthwhile cause like feeding the hungry. Oops! Probably should not have made a political statement. Someone is sure to reply that missiles that "protect us from nasty terrorists" are more important than feeding the poor. But so be it. |
I don’t know about protecting us from nasty terrorists but I do know that every time you cancel a missile contract around here you cost a bunch of engineers and other professionals their jobs. I promise you that any time a smallish local economy like Huntsville loses a 100 $85K a year jobs it trickles down. Less eating out, less lawn mowing service, no more trips to the movies more foreclosures. Everyone feels it. |
I refuse to believe that if we dont make missiles and bombs engineers and other professionals wont have jobs.. and that it is a matter of eaither or..
I do think that there are better things to build and market then wepons.. and yeah it is true that economy would be hit by canceling some of the contracts but it is a matter or redirecting manufacturing and R&D to something more usefull then wepons of mass destruction..
As for your dillema Cybercommuter, at some point you just have to accept that you can not help everyone ...
Do I think you should have offered a sandwich..? yeah I do... but at the same time, would I think of doing it in same situation? Probably not..
There is always next time.. |
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baddogma
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| Cybercommuter wrote: | Today I experienced something I have never experienced before. It caught me off guard, and totally unprepared.
I was sitting at my computer, and having no work today, was surfing the web, when through the window I saw a stranger coming up our walkway. I went to the front door (which was already open) and greeted the stranger, who appeared to be a teenager, probably high school age.
"Do you have any work you need done so that I could earn a little money for food?" he asked. Having no jobs for him, and money being very tight in our own household budget due to the depression, I said sorry, we don't have any work for you. "Just a couple of dollars so I can get like a hamburger or something? I can pull weeds from your flower bed..." he said, motioning toward the flower bed in front of our house. Well, nobody touches that flowerbed except my wife, not even me, so I declined. "Please, I'm hungry, my dad is out of work" he said.
I turned him away, and he sadly turned and left. And then I felt guilty. "What was that about, a salesman?" asked my wife. I explained, and she said, "we could have made him a sandwich or something." My feeling of guilt for turning away the hungry boy became even greater.
But was he really hungry? Or just trying to scam a few bucks? At first I had thought the latter, but when I turned him away, the expression on his face told me different.
What is happening? Are children learning to scam at younger and younger age? Or is the depression really getting that far out of hand? What would you have done? |
I would have offered him food not money. If he was hungry he would have accepted it gratefully.
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Philosophos
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | Case againt faith has me rolling! Teh philo iz teh sux! Ah ha ha ha! |
Notice that it took him 2 edits in order to manufacture that rebuttal.
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FlatEarth1024
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| caseagainstfaith wrote: | I've seen ones like that. I've also seen some rather bizarre, extreme ones, I guess thinking that if they are memorable or funny or different, it might work. You will think I'm shitting you, I saw one that said "aspiring porn star needs money for penis enlargement pills".
I wish I had a camera on me. |
So does he!
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| Cybercommuter wrote: | | He did not look the type to be casing the joint for a return visit. Although looks can sometimes be deceiving. |
There's a dilemma. Couple of years back, two of the sweetest doe-eyed young girls you ever saw cavassed our neighborhood selling items for a school trip. Turns out they were the "front men" for a high school gang of break-in artists. 2-3 of my immediate neighbors got hit pretty good, another dozen in town, and these kids even stole $50,000 worth of AV equipment from the two high schools in town.
So "sure, hon...I'll take a Snickers bar so you can go on that trip" can very quickly turn into a rough sketch of the layout of your house and alarm system. I imagine a down on his luck young fellow could easily result in the same scenario. The area between generosity and self-protection is a fine line that we cross at our own peril.
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