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Great! Do you also know where I can go to get cancer? 
BTW, just listened to this excellent audio file:
Sam Harris speaking at the FFRF Convention in San Francisco, 10/7/2006
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I didn't see any Clapton on the list either. |
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rickyroma
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rickyroma
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: A million free Christian audios online |
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| CruciFiction wrote: | | Great! Do you also know where I can go to get cancer? |
May I advise you avoid threads entitled "free Christian audios online" if free Christian audios online are not your cup of tea.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: A million free Christian audios online |
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| rickyroma wrote: | | CruciFiction wrote: | | Great! Do you also know where I can go to get cancer? |
May I advise you avoid threads entitled "free Christian audios online" if free Christian audios online are not your cup of tea. |
I might likewise advise you that I come to ATHEISTforums to explore any or all threads I please.
One man's cup of tea is another's cup of poison.
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I'm in the US (unfortunately), and if I wanted to waste my time on this rubbish, it does download for me.
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rickyroma
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: A million free Christian audios online |
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| CruciFiction wrote: | | I might likewise advise you that I come to ATHEISTforums to explore any or all threads I please. |
You don't seem too pleased.
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The first thing I see is a tab called "Introductory Level" and the first item in there is "How To Answer Questions".
I can't help but feel this heading is an euphemism for "how to run around questions while still clinging to your faith, despite criticism" or some sort.
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| Sal1981 wrote: | The first thing I see is a tab called "Introductory Level" and the first item in there is "How To Answer Questions".
I can't help but feel this heading is an euphemism for "how to run around questions while still clinging to your faith, despite criticism" or some sort. |
That kind of stuff is very interesting to listen to. I have a book of essays by various apologists, one of which talked about a "Columbo method" which can be used when proselytizing. Knowing what kind of ammunition and tactics may be used against you is nothing but useful. One may even glean a few tips for one's self.
From some of the debates I've seen, the atheists who lose do so at least in good part due to lack of preparation. That's why Stein lost to Bahnsen, and that's why Barker lost to Manata. Shrouding one's self in ignorance is not usually a good thing, especially in debate.
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heh. That's a great self-explanatory name for a rhetorical device if it's what I suspect it is.
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| rickyroma wrote: |
heh. That's a great self-explanatory name for a rhetorical device if it's what I suspect it is. |
It is. It tells the apologist to essentially act ignorant, seem harmless, but keep on asking questions, just like Detective Colombo from the American television show.
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Yay! Free stuff!
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Just listened to this one:
Is God a Projection? - Wim Rietkerk | Quote: | The second talk in Wim Rietkerk's three-part series entitled "The Challenge of Atheism" considers whether God is merely a psychological projection of human desires and aspirations, as Feuerbach and Freud, for example, claimed. This view can be summed up in the phrase: "The poor man has a rich God."
Wim considers the psychological, philosophical and Biblical arguments against this claim. |
What struck me at first was a prolongued and fair representation of the argument that god is a projection, composed mainly of quotes of those who have argued that position. It was very well done because after 10 or 15 mins you are left thinking "Dude! You just destroyed your own religion. How are you going to spin this around?" In other words he had me keen to listen on and consider his defence. Clever.
Of course when his defence came it was a blend of tu quoques ("Atheists project too!"), circular reasoning ("The method for knowing if the Bible is true was set out by Paul") and shoddy logical errors ("Christian epistemology is emperical ... ... I know god because he knows me").
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This one was quite interesting:
Postmodernism and the question of
Identity, Dr Ted Turnau.
He seems to be a literalist Christian who talks like a postmodernist. He uses terms like "meaning" and "construct" and "identity" and "media" and "consumerism" to explain and talk about postmodernism. The first 20 mins or so can be listened to as a fairly reasonable overview of the post-modern condition and its relation to consumerism.
Unlike moderns, post-moderns respect no authority be it god or science. Arguments based on evidence and proofs from whoever will alienate them. The post-modern condition is also one of loneliness and uncertainty, but they can be reached through dialogue about meanings from popular culture.
A lesson for own our approach as advocates of enlightenment values trapped in a post-modern world in all that, perhaps?
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