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romans120 Resident Theist

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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: a fun role reversal Challenge |
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I have been a student of atheism for the past few months and I would like to test myself on what I have actually learned. I had an Idea that it might be fun to argue the other side of the fence for once.
Here is my Idea a one on one moderated discussion where I will argue the "strong" atheist position. And the one who accepts the challenge would declare beforehand which Christian system or perspective they would argue. While this exercise would be purely for fun It will only work if each side truly trys to win the debate.
I don't think traditional debate format works very well for internet forums. So I think whoever accepts the challenge will present the opening premise and we'll just go from there.
So are there any takers? and any mods willing to moderate? _________________ For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20
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Mr_C Reckoner

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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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I nominate Moloth to play the theist. _________________ "If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?"
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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ME AM TYHEIOST I LUJEEZUIS! UR$ ALL STOPOD AND GOINGTA HLLZ! LOL1!!1 FUCKU ATHGEEIST FAOGOTS.
PEACE!!! _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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no, seriously... i would totally suck at it. i am not very educated in theist rhetoric, i've never BEEN a theist, so i have NO idea how to argue from that position... _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Mr_C Reckoner

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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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How about Philosophos then? _________________ "If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?"
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Alexis Forum Plebian


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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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I want to play!
Unicorns are proof that God loves us! I dare someone to dispute that fact. _________________ Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance. -JPS |
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Eyedunno The Great JuJu at the Bottom of the Sea

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: |
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I'm bumping this thread, because I think it sounds like an entertaining idea, though I'm not volunteering either.
The local city hall here asked me to participate in a Japanese debate contest last year, and that made me feel dirty enough. I guess I don't feel comfortable talking shit even if everybody realizes that's what I'm doing, and at that debate contest, I felt like a complete jackass for making an argument very similar to the one I'd mercilessly ripped to shreds less than an hour before. And I agree that it would be cool for Philosophos to do it if he's got the time. _________________
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BarkAtTheMoon O Captain, my Captain

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I like the idea of this. Yellow#5 did this, playing the theist, when we were drinking one night before I ever started posting at IG. It was pretty interesting...and I ended up common sensing my way through it and nailed him on every argument after I thought about it for a minute. I'd like to try it, but I don't think I have the knowledge of the theist perspective (or the time) since I was never much of a believer either. I hope someone steps up. _________________ "The very existence of flame throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, 'You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.' - George Carlin
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Raskolnikov The Axe Murderer

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Mr. C should do it. He has the past experience. Or maybe pr126 as a muslim XDD _________________ "Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, underwhich weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, for if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson
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Mr_C Reckoner

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: |
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What about romans120 (atheist) vs atheod (theist).
That would be a hell of a debate. _________________ "If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?"
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munky99999 Provisional moralist.

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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If I did it... I'd have to be one hell of an evil biblical literalist.
I was a catholic and I just cant defend that position because it's just sooo untenable. It's not scientifically sound, logically sound, nor is it even sound with the bible.
The biblical literalist position at best only being sound with the bible... definately not morally.. logically.. nor scientifically tenable.
What is the purpose of the debate though? Is it simply to argue for conversion? Or will there be another actual subject to the debate?
Or do you just want a common christian argument?
Bring up the watchmaker argument... pascals wager... lord, liar, retard?... that one night I felt someone touch my back and I looked back and nobody was there. I knew it was jesus touching me and entering my heart.... the universe is soooo complex and great that it must have been made by dwarvish elves... the bible is the most advanced science book of today...
or other similar stupid arguments. _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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Mr_C Reckoner

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| Raskolnikov wrote: | | Mr. C should do it. He has the past experience. Or maybe pr126 as a muslim XDD |
The reasons I haven't volunteered are:
1) I'm still hung-over from the Jesus debate that romans and I were in.
2) It would be extremely difficult for me to attempt to defend Christianity again since I no longer think it's a tenable position. I think that, in order to defend something, you must at least see some validity to it, whereas I see absolutely none in Christianity. Romans120 must believe that atheism is at least tenable in order to be willing to "play the atheist" in a debate. On the other hand, I suspect that I would come up with nothing new or interesting and would just be regurgitating common theistic arguments that I've read in the last couple of years. I'm afraid I've passed the event horizon of theism.
Romans120 vs atheod would be extremely entertaining... _________________ "If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?"
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drix41 N3WB PWN3R

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| Mr_C wrote: | What about romans120 (atheist) vs atheod (theist).
That would be a hell of a debate. |
I agree with this...any other takers?? _________________ “A thorough reading and understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism"
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romans120 Resident Theist

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Mr_C wrote: | | Raskolnikov wrote: | | Mr. C should do it. He has the past experience. Or maybe pr126 as a muslim XDD |
The reasons I haven't volunteered are:
1) I'm still hung-over from the Jesus debate that romans and I were in.
2) It would be extremely difficult for me to attempt to defend Christianity again since I no longer think it's a tenable position. I think that, in order to defend something, you must at least see some validity to it, whereas I see absolutely none in Christianity. Romans120 must believe that atheism is at least tenable in order to be willing to "play the atheist" in a debate. On the other hand, I suspect that I would come up with nothing new or interesting and would just be regurgitating common theistic arguments that I've read in the last couple of years. I'm afraid I've passed the event horizon of theism.
Romans120 vs atheod would be extremely entertaining... |
yeah I thought about this a little better last night and realized there are a lot of problems with it. I think atheism is very tenable position it just gets trumped by special revelation.
I'm not sure I'm interested in taking on atheod as an atheist. Because I would be at a huge disadvantage since he would be arguing what he believes and I of course would not.
If you atheist would be interested in seeing the differences between clasicle Christian theism and open theism I'm willing if he's willing. _________________ For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20
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RyanDzundza Sock Puppet

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Raskolnikov wrote: | | Or maybe pr126 as a muslim XDD |
haha this idea is genius
i think it would be interesting how long Pr126 could pretend to be a muslim and defened islam before s'plodin _________________
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