A call for dialog with Infidelguy

SK_Apostle · Intern Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 25 Local time: 11:16 PM

First. I would like to say it is cool what you have going here in terms of what you have accomplished in respects to who you have reached. 2nd. I hate the wife swap show (lol) they are there to video the worst in everyone. I know you were on it altho I did not see it. Now let me begin.

Lets me start by saying that I am a Christian. Here is alittle about me. I was saved about 5 years ago when I was 26. I consider my self an infant Christian who certainly does not have all the answers. I was not raised in a Christian home, infact my family was dysfunctional at best. I did not believe in God, however I wanted to. I liked the idea of living for ever. I like the idea of being able to see my loved ones who passed. That ended up being my motivation for seeking, or atleast part of it. I ended up Marrying a virgin girl at the age of 24. She was a devout Christian but was in a period of her life when she was back sliding. So it was safe to say when we got married I didn't realy know her. A year into our marrige she decided to go all in on the Christian thing leaving me scratching my head. It caused alot of trouble as we would before that smoke pot and carry on in ways that we prolly shouldn't. When she did her about face it left me still wanting to party and she was now walking the straight and narrow. We faught alot and she would just turn and walk away and go read the Bible. That would set me in a fit of rage. I became fed up with the religion and what little desire there was in me to be a Christian evaperated wery quickly. Then during one fight I went off the deep end critisizing Christianity and I told here that I was going to set out to prove that there was no god and more or less that she was an idiot for believing such crap. I did, however, know that to prove that the truth was infact that there was no god that I had to have an open mind. I wanted to be fair so that when I found that there was no god I could say I search honestly and the I would have enough ammo to just unload on her. Then we could get back to the lifestyle that I perferred. To make a long story short I found (what I believe to be the) truth. This is what I have found:

God does exist and although I have never seen him, touched him, nor heard him with my ears the evidince of him is in everything I see and those who have always known me can see it in my changed life. To this day I still seek truth. Evidence that there is or isn't a god is still good evidence if it leads to the ultimate truth whatever it may be and I want to know.

I simply ask for respect. Please no flaming. I am intrested in all points of view altho I admit I favor mine as you do yours. I think it is wrong to force your (or my) belief on anyone. If you do that I think your are violating that person's right to choose. If the ultimate goal is to convert a person forcing you opinions on them does more harm than good. Therefor I want you to talk to me as if you are trying to convert me. I have a very good friend that is a pastor and I would like to run good points by him when I am stumped.

I found infidelguy on you tube. A video from Dec 28 2005. He explains why it makes no since for there to be a god. I personly felt like there were alot of flaws in his arguement and was hoping to strike up a respectful conversation regaurding the subject in that video. I would like to start it of with a simple question.

You siad you have children. Do you teach them your views on God and religion or do let them find the truth (whatever it may be) on thier own?

Infact I ask this to all who read this. It is none of my business and certianly no right for me to judge but if you are open enough to discuss it I would like to hear from you.

My views in the question:

If I were a Christian (which I am) I would try to lead my child(ren) towards Christ. Even if there were no god if a person lives a truely godly life then I believe that person leaves a possitive influence on every person around them as long as that person does not force his opinions and believes on others.

If I were a true atheist I wouldn't worry about teaching anything. For if there is no god why spend my time fooling with silly things that do not exist. However if my child(ren) became a believer in a peaceful faith I still would not offer my beliefs as long as it was a positive influence.

not_a_theist · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject:

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SK_Apostle · Intern Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 25 Local time: 11:16 PM

that is you right, sry if it is too much.

not_a_theist · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject:

didnt mean to flame...just been wanting to do that for awhile. Laughing

anywho welcome.... im sure many here will take issue with many of the things you said.

such as:

SK_Apostle · Intern Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 25 Local time: 11:16 PM

I didn't say my answer was right or wrong, it is simply my opinion. If my kid does not end up beliving then I will be truely sad but I can't make them. I also so see no pont in wasting time on the sinceless. I don't try to convince my kid that leperchons (sp?) aren't real There is no point.

baddogma · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject:

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Paranoia21 · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject:

Why would you teach your kids irrationality? When you say "Well, he might not exist, but hell, just believe because I said so." it teaches them that thinking for themselves is wrong. And wow, if you think that will make them better people, you are delusional. You should let them make their own choices as far as religion goes. I really wasn't given a choice when I grew up. It was "God exists and that's that." Even though I was raised on pure bias, I realized how illogical and delusional religion is. I left on my own terms. You should let your children believe what they want. Unless you want your children to be arrogant, irrational human beings. And I highly doubt that.
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Specus_Meretricis · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject:

kmisho · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject:

To what's already been said I'd only add to this

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Moloth · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject:

kmisho is fucking full of those! Wink

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Specus_Meretricis · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject:

Nimitz · Guest Local time: 9:16 AM

All my current sexy has been rubbed off my copy of "God is not great: How religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens I'm reading, and
The Infidel Guy tapes I'm listening to.

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