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tonyman1989
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| Philosophos wrote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | if that story was true why wouldn't god attack us now that we have becaome a million times more advance. |
Can you say "Katrina," "9/11," or "Challenger?" |
if thats it god must be geting soft what happen to the world wide flood or sending barbarians to kill our families or killing our first born?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | if thats it god must be geting soft what happen to the world wide flood |
Coast-wide floods aren't good enough for you? Besides - God promised never to do that again. That's why we have rainbows.
| Quote: | | or sending barbarians to kill our families |
We have educated Muslims to do that now.
| Quote: | | or killing our first born? |
We do a good enough job of that on our own with abortion.
You are judging God using your own, fallible, human standards.
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tonyman1989
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| Quote: | | You are judging God using your own, fallible, human standards. |
I know god should be able to do alot worse.
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | I know god should be able to do alot worse. |
Well, after the pre-tribulation rapture occurs, you'll get to know exactly how much worse God can do. Poor tony... there's still time to accept Jesus into your heart.
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tonyman1989
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| Philosophos wrote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | I know god should be able to do alot worse. |
Well, after the pre-tribulation rapture occurs, you'll get to know exactly how much worse God can do. Poor tony... there's still time to accept Jesus into your heart. |
not when you have commited the only unforgivable sin. 
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | not when you have commited the only unforgivable sin. |
Masturbating to episodes of "The Golden Girls"?
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I wouldn't jerk off to the Golden Girls with Bea Arthurs dick!
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| Philosophos wrote: | | Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | I find it more amazing that people actually give praise to this being even after he killed almost all the people on earth. It would be like praising Hitler... |
| Rom 8:14-23 NASB wrote: | | What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, |
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How can people honestly believe that nonsense? Was anything in that quote anything but pure unadulterated nonsense?
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It doesn't look like he did it for fun: it looks like he was nervous of people becoming God's equals. |
And this is precisely why Christianity is incoherent poppycock. Any all-knowing all-powerful being was afraid finite morals would become equal to him? That doesn't make any sense. Part of what makes Christianity so incoherent is the melding of abstract conceptions of God with the ancient conceptions of the gods. When you do this, you inevitably end up with nonsense.
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You are judging God using your own, fallible, human standards. |
So are theists, so its a wash.
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So noone else finds it interesting that Noah's Ark and other OT stories are found across many seemingly unrelated cultures?
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No - as you're stretching the word "related." And I think you're thinking "flood" more than Ark stories. That at least makes a terribly weak comparison slightly less so.
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| I find it interesting that some flood stories are older than the bible. It tells me that Noah isn't an original idea. (The Epic of Gilgamesh) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_%28mythology%29
Take a look
Sidenote: Humans have very little genetic variation (we are 99.9% the same genetically speaking) which is bizarre considering the age of the species. This along with similar 'world destruction' stories in many ancient cultures could be a good indicator of a 'bottle-neck' effect.
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| Isambard wrote: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_%28mythology%29
Take a look |
I'm quite aware of flood mythology. Here's a more extensive and better-referenced list. Let's take a look at a few of them:
| Quote: | | Kabadi: Lohero and his brother were angry with their neighbors, so they put a human bone into a small stream. Soon a great flood came forth, and the people had to retreat to the highest peaks until the sea receded. Some people descended, and others made their homes on the ridges. |
Obviously a parallel to a worldwide flood involving an ark.
| Quote: | | Guanca & Chiquito: Long ago, before there were any Incas, the country was populous, but the ocean broke out of its bounds, the land was covered, and the people perished. Some say that a few people survived in the caves of the highest mountains. Others say that only six people survived on a float. |
Clearly Noah's ark material.
Need I go on?
This stretch is just as bad as the atheist's stretching the parallels between Jesus and pagan gods. Yeah, there were lots of God torture and killing stories. So what? Few are very similar upon closer inspection.
Yeah, there are a lot of flood stories. So what? Few are very similar upon closer inspection.
| Quote: | | Sidenote: Humans have very little genetic variation (we are 99.9% the same genetically speaking) which is bizarre considering the age of the species. This along with similar 'world destruction' stories in many ancient cultures could be a good indicator of a 'bottle-neck' effect. |
I did a quick medline search, and couldn't find anything on your "99.9%" statistic. Do you have a source? Also, can you point me to any reasons why this is "bizzare?" I don't have a good intuitive handle on mutation rates, and whether this is strange or not. Nor do I know what other intraspecies variability prevalences are, or the average mutation rates of other species.
Quoting a percentage without further context really does little good.
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