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Whitefox
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 Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: 1st of many questions... |
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| anamoly wrote: | | Being an atheist doesn't mean that I make wrong decisions all the time and that I don't know how to fit in to society. It means I can make the decision to do the right thing for a lot of different reasons (and very logical ones) other than just some imaginary best friend whose son died on a cross. |
There is a common moral code that all of us share in common whether Christian or non-christian. The reasons for obeying it however vary. Freud said we need to free ourselves of our "inhibitians" regarding free-sex, of which he was an advocate. The Hippy generation of which I am a part of (I'm 47, perhaps the oldest poster here.) tried to do this as well. The reason why there are inhibitians however to overcome is because all of us have a basic concience which is the same. The bible calls becoming free from you inhibitians the same thing as searing your concience, rendering it innefective. The bible warns that as people habitually do this they become more and more depraved. The bible calls it walking in darkness. Even Christians are warned "let not your light be darkness.".
However there is a light which involves our understanding which goes beyond our knowledge of good and evil which until we enter into it the bible says we are walking in darkness.
John 1 says the darkness does not comprehend the light. You could grow up in a Christian home, exposed to the light but not comprehend it.
Another reason is also given in the bible for people not being willing to step into the light. It is that they do not want there deeds to be exposed. The concience would make a person aware of their deeds. Even in rejecting God it may be because of a guilty concience and an unwillingness to deal with it.
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wow...it may not be a good idea to try to convince us with Bible quotes, ya know.
So, you're saying that we, as humans, should not rely on our own conscience?
Define "depraved".
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: 1st of many questions... |
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| Whitefox wrote: | | anamoly wrote: | | Being an atheist doesn't mean that I make wrong decisions all the time and that I don't know how to fit in to society. It means I can make the decision to do the right thing for a lot of different reasons (and very logical ones) other than just some imaginary best friend whose son died on a cross. |
There is a common moral code that all of us share in common whether Christian or non-christian. The reasons for obeying it however vary. Freud said we need to free ourselves of our "inhibitians" regarding free-sex, of which he was an advocate. The Hippy generation of which I am a part of (I'm 47, perhaps the oldest poster here.) tried to do this as well. The reason why there are inhibitians however to overcome is because all of us have a basic concience which is the same. The bible calls becoming free from you inhibitians the same thing as searing your concience, rendering it innefective. The bible warns that as people habitually do this they become more and more depraved. The bible calls it walking in darkness. Even Christians are warned "let not your light be darkness.".
However there is a light which involves our understanding which goes beyond our knowledge of good and evil which until we enter into it the bible says we are walking in darkness.
John 1 says the darkness does not comprehend the light. You could grow up in a Christian home, exposed to the light but not comprehend it.
Another reason is also given in the bible for people not being willing to step into the light. It is that they do not want there deeds to be exposed. The concience would make a person aware of their deeds. Even in rejecting God it may be because of a guilty concience and an unwillingness to deal with it.
Ray, |
AAAANNNNNdddd...he's back to lazy preaching again. |
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Whitefox
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: 1st of many questions... |
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | AAAANNNNNdddd...he's back to lazy preaching again. |
Can you define what the atheists are doing in this forum that classifies their posts as "non-preaching"? What makses the a-theist messages classified as non-preaching, but the theist messages classified as preaching? What is preaching according to your definition?
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: 1st of many questions... |
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| Whitefox wrote: | | Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | AAAANNNNNdddd...he's back to lazy preaching again. |
Can you define what the atheists are doing in this forum that classifies their posts as "non-preaching"? What makses the a-theist messages classified as non-preaching, but the theist messages classified as preaching? What is preaching according to your definition? |
is saying 2+2=4 math preaching?
is stating the observation, "a deity has never been detected", preaching?
is throwing bible quotes at people who didn't ask to hear them (and to who they have no effect on) preaching?
""II. The relationship between an object's mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector.""
zomg, i'm preaching Newtonian physics!
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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This is the example:
| Quote: | Pray "Lord Jesus, I Believe, Help me with my unbelief." If you can. He will do it.
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And this is preaching:
| Quote: | Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
preach·ing /ˈpritʃɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pree-ching] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the act or practice of a person who preaches.
2. the art of delivering sermons.
3. a sermon.
4. a public religious service with a sermon.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or resembling preaching: a preaching tone of voice. |
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | This is the example:
| Quote: | Pray "Lord Jesus, I Believe, Help me with my unbelief." If you can. He will do it.
Ray, |
And this is preaching:
| Quote: | Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
preach·ing /ˈpritʃɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pree-ching] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the act or practice of a person who preaches.
2. the art of delivering sermons.
3. a sermon.
4. a public religious service with a sermon.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or resembling preaching: a preaching tone of voice. |
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LOL. I thought for example that Freud preached his beliefs in his writings and today we have Psychology. And Marx preached his ideas about Communisism and it spread around the world. And it appears that Atheists are preaching these days their beliefs in forums like this. Definitely your dictionary definition makes it sound like a purely religious activity. But you must also understand that at least the Noah webster dictionary was written by a Christian, so perhaps it has a bias in it.
But to switch the topic. What is it that gives preaching a bad name? I ask this because even among Christian circles I have heard statements like I don't preach what I believe I show by my good deeds and stuff like that that makes me think such mamsy pamsy Christians who don't preach are disobeying their duty as Christians. There seems to be a reluctancy either to hear preaching or to be perceived as preaching which I think is a rather sad reflection of the day in which we live in. (Noah wrote the dictionary as a companion to his newley translated from the original greek to english version of the bible called the Noah Webster Bible.)
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Whitefox wrote: | | Specus_Meretricis wrote: | This is the example:
| Quote: | Pray "Lord Jesus, I Believe, Help me with my unbelief." If you can. He will do it.
Ray, |
And this is preaching:
| Quote: | Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
preach·ing /ˈpritʃɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pree-ching] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the act or practice of a person who preaches.
2. the art of delivering sermons.
3. a sermon.
4. a public religious service with a sermon.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or resembling preaching: a preaching tone of voice. |
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LOL. I thought for example that Freud preached his beliefs in his writings and today we have Psychology. And Marx preached his ideas about Communisism and it spread around the world. And it appears that Atheists are preaching these days their beliefs in forums like this. Definitely your dictionary definition makes it sound like a purely religious activity. But you must also understand that at least the Noah webster dictionary was written by a Christian, so perhaps it has a bias in it.
But to switch the topic. What is it that gives preaching a bad name? I ask this because even among Christian circles I have heard statements like I don't preach what I believe I show by my good deeds and stuff like that that makes me think such mamsy pamsy Christians who don't preach are disobeying their duty as Christians. There seems to be a reluctancy either to hear preaching or to be perceived as preaching which I think is a rather sad reflection of the day in which we live in. |
You have pressed questions to me in other threads and failed to reply to them. Your Questions Credit Card has been declined until you have made a payment in those other threads. Thank you.
I wonder if these theist understand the "bait and switch" and "distraction" tactics work about only half the time. |
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Well, preaching is talking AT people.
we prefer to be talked WITH.
Plus, if we started using,, hell, i dunno... a Dr. Seuss book quotes to prove to you that sneetches exist, how openly would you take that?
When communicating, always keep in mind you audience. if you want to discuss the existence of whatever deity you happen to believe in, you're going to have to do something more compelling than read out of whatever holy book that supports him/her/it.
We tend to be logical, reasonable, skeptical people who demand proof and insightful discussion.
and.. make fart jokes.
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Jesus Fucking Christ. Now we have some moron who thinks monologue and preaching are the same thing.
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Whitefox,
are you trying to convert us, If so fine but PLAESE don't use the bible.
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READ THE STICKY! Some poor atheist went to all the trouble to write it the least you could do is read it.
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: 1st of many questions... |
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| Castro wrote: |
This is probably the best answer that a devote Christian can come up with when I ask about why we should believe and pray to God/Jesus. I do have to admit that I have believed for a very long time and I have had bad things happen to me and good things happen to me. When something good happened it was God blessing me, but when something bad happened, it was b/c I was being tested or b/c I was not being "faithful" |
I haven't believed for along time and have had the same results. But rather than pray for things I take actions in matters in an attempt to have the outcome favor me.
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| Castro wrote: | Thanks. So basically Atheists come up with their own morals; regardless of what the world may think. And these morals are based upon what they personally think is right...is this correct.
I kind of brought this up to a friend of mine the other day, w/o telling of my new found interest in atheism, and she was absolutely disgusted. She thinks anyone who could not follow morals of god, would be an anarchist(sp) and it would be hard for them to follow laws as well.
I appologize, that is a little bit hard to wrap my hands around just for the simple fact that I have been raised a certain way, but I am trying to be a more open minded, free thinker. |
I don't think morals are just something we come up with. I don't view the bible as a good moral code. On the arguement of following law, how many of the 10 commandments are punishable by mans law. Techniquely only 3. of all 10 commandments how many are punishable by death.
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| Castro wrote: | Sal1981:
I am very aware that I can be wrong on anything. That is why I am asking questions. But thank you for your response, you kind of bring me to another topic. Most atheists seem very arrogant. This very well is probably not the case b/c I know that when you have fact and logic on your side one can be certain on a topic. To be atheist is to be right...period- this seems like a stance that some atheists have, no humility, which I feel is something all people, regardless of belief needs. I am not trying to criticize anyone, again I am trying to understand. |
To be atheist does not mean to be right, there are different types of atheism. Some say that there is not a god period and some say that the proof just isn't there (big difference) and even without proof what is the probability?
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